Organic Plant Problem

SimpleSimon

SimpleSimon

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I thought about putting this in the plant problem section. But i think because the grow is TOTALLY organic i thought you guys would be better suited to help me.

This grow has been fine so far. The grow room is new, i just moved it. I haven't worked out the kinks yet. My humidity is down around 25%, this is low i know.

I have been using a organic soil mix that i made. It has lots of organic material, peat, perlite, coco, and nutes are all organically derived.

I have two problems:

First: The leaves are droopy. At first i thought i had over watered. So i let them dry out really well. No change. I have since watered with a tea that made over the last two days, hoping that this will also fix my second problem.

Second: The bottom leaves are yellowing. Is this a lack of nitrogen?

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Xare

Xare

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Yes that yellowing looks like low Nitrogen to me.

I think you did the right thing by giving them a tea.

Tell us what kinda organic nutes did you mix in the soil ? Any bloodmeal or high nitrogen Guano ?

And what kinda tea are you making for a Veg tea ?
 
SimpleSimon

SimpleSimon

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The nutes that are in the soil as follows:

Blood meal, bone meal, Rock Phosphate, Greensand, Bat Guano (13%N), worm castings, home made compost.

I put all this in my soil months before i plant. It all sits in a large tub where it gets mixed and watered and turned periodically.

The tea was house compost out of my www.naturemill.com
which is an even mix of browns and greens. On a whim i added more guano and bloodmeal to the tea.

What do you think about the droopy leaves?
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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SimpleSimon.... The really low humidity is what is doing it. The plants are using water at a much faster rate than fertilizer. You must get the humidity up to at least 50 percent. Until then, the plant will just suck up water like a sponge, lose it to it's leaves and be unable to use the NPK present in the soil.
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Also, what are your temps like with the lights on (after say 2 hours) ? If 85 or above you need to bring them down. More air flow helps if humidity levels are in the correct range. If like in your case, humidity levels are low, the additional air flow can work against you - further dehydrating your plants.
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So, to fix up your babies, get the humidity up to at lease 50 percent, keep temps under 85 and make sure air flow is removing the extra heat generated by the light(s). Once you do that, a very mild tea with High Nitrogen Bat Guano would be helpful - like 1 tablespoon to a gallon of water. Give each plant one quart of this tea. Do not feed again for 5 days (min).
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Hope this helps....
Keep it Real....Organic....
 
SimpleSimon

SimpleSimon

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Ohsogreen said:
SimpleSimon.... The really low humidity is what is doing it. The plants are using water at a much faster rate than fertilizer. You must get the humidity up to at least 50 percent. Until then, the plant will just suck up water like a sponge, lose it to it's leaves and be unable to use the NPK present in the soil.
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Also, what are your temps like with the lights on (after say 2 hours) ? If 85 or above you need to bring them down. More air flow helps if humidity levels are in the correct range. If like in your case, humidity levels are low, the additional air flow can work against you - further dehydrating your plants.
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So, to fix up your babies, get the humidity up to at lease 50 percent, keep temps under 85 and make sure air flow is removing the extra heat generated by the light(s). Once you do that, a very mild tea with High Nitrogen Bat Guano would be helpful - like 1 tablespoon to a gallon of water. Give each plant one quart of this tea. Do not feed again for 5 days (min).
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Hope this helps....
Keep it Real....Organic....
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Thanks Ohso, i was thinking it was the humidity. The humidifier seems to be working, i'll know for sure in the morning. I live in a really dry climate. Even in the winter its fucking dry here.

My temps are good. My ventilation is very robust.

Thanks dude.!
 
SimpleSimon

SimpleSimon

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Picasso345 said:
I agree with everything from Ohsogreen. You are in good hands. Good luck! Very nice looking room, btw.
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thanks man, i actually had a look at your set up while i was designing it. You keep a pretty clean set up. Mines pretty messy at the moment, but i am still working out some kinks.
 
SimpleSimon

SimpleSimon

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So i have run into another bump. Not a huge one. OH! the humidity WAS the problem they look much better now.

HOWEVER, they are starting to flower. This is kinda shitty because i was going to use them as mothers. I think its becuase i am running an MH and HPS and they are on different cycles and i think that might have stressed them a bit. Either way, what should i do.

1. take cuttings and root to make my mothers.
2. take them from 18 hours of light to 24 hours of light and hope they stop this sexy business
3. Just flower them and start new seeds to get my mother.
 
GanjaEnthusiast

GanjaEnthusiast

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as long as they are in 18 hours of light dude they won't flower trust me lol. they always will show pre flowers. don't worry about getting buds if you're positive they have 18 hours of light. and yes go 24 hours of light stop this sexy business lol.
 
Picasso345

Picasso345

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GanjaEnthusiast said:
as long as they are in 18 hours of light dude they won't flower trust me lol. they always will show pre flowers. don't worry about getting buds if you're positive they have 18 hours of light. and yes go 24 hours of light stop this sexy business lol.
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Unless it's an autoflower strain.

Assuming they are really flowering, I think I would go ahead and let them flower and then after harvest try and re-veg them to get your mothers. No sense fighting nature at this point.
 
SimpleSimon

SimpleSimon

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Picasso345 said:
Unless it's an autoflower strain.

Assuming they are really flowering, I think I would go ahead and let them flower and then after harvest try and re-veg them to get your mothers. No sense fighting nature at this point.
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HHmmmm, no there is no auto flower in these strains. I think, i stressed them. I am running both MH and HPS and it took me some time to decide in what cycles to run them. And on a few days i would have the MH on for 12 hours and then the HPS on for 6. I don't think they liked that. But i was figuring that light was light and as long as there was 18 hours of it they would be fine. And that a long with the the low humidity stressed them. I don't know if you can stress pot into flowering. but i know you can stress a lot of plants into flowering. They get scared about the uncertainty of life and decide to get on with business.

As for the reveging. I don't know. I have heard a lot of mixed reports about this technique. I have them under 24h of MH now. I took some clones from on low of each plant and i have started new seeds. Blueberry. Oh, this strain i am growing now is G-Spot. Worst case i have two mothers......

Thanks guys :)
 
greenearth5

greenearth5

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dude.. im having that same problem with my organic bud.. I have added no nutrients.. and my soil was lacking nutrients... good luck bro.. and keep it organic.. if nature can do it then you can too
 
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WhiteRhinoking

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SimpleSimon said:
So i have run into another bump. Not a huge one. OH! the humidity WAS the problem they look much better now.

HOWEVER, they are starting to flower. This is kinda shitty because i was going to use them as mothers. I think its becuase i am running an MH and HPS and they are on different cycles and i think that might have stressed them a bit. Either way, what should i do.

1. take cuttings and root to make my mothers.
2. take them from 18 hours of light to 24 hours of light and hope they stop this sexy business
3. Just flower them and start new seeds to get my mother.
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have you herd of the dual arc lamps by hortilux? they have a 4oo watt mh and a 6oo watt hps in one 1000 watt bulb. might be just what your looking for. my plants love it!
 
SimpleSimon

SimpleSimon

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WhiteRhinoking said:
have you herd of the dual arc lamps by hortilux? they have a 4oo watt mh and a 6oo watt hps in one 1000 watt bulb. might be just what your looking for. my plants love it!
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So i take it i would get to buy.....er....have to buy.....a new ballast. Does it use a 1000 watt ballast?
 
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