Organic seems long in flower

Obepawn

Obepawn

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Thundercat said:
First off breeder times are super loose guidelines and you should not put much weight in them. Those times are for that breeders garden and plant not your garden and plants.

Secondly "flowering time" as stated begins when the plants begin to form flowers. Some breeders will state 12/12 time instead. However flowering time begin when you see flowers.

Every plant is different so counting from 12/12 is totally arbitrary and is only done by stoners growing indoors.

If you were growing outside you wouldn't say your plant was flowering until it started growing flowers. So why would you play make believe inside and say it's flowering before it starts to show flowers? It's very basic plant biology. There is a transition period between veg and flower. Many nutrient companies even identify this stage on their feed charts :). If you look up the stages of plant growth there is usually 5, and this "transition" phase is commonly refered to as the " preflowering" stage. The plant wouldn't enter the flowering stage until it starts making flower :).

Hope that helps. It's a hugely common misconception with new growers especially, but with many online cannabis growers. The more you understand about the biology the less sense it makes to count all plants from the arbitrary 12/12.

Just because we grow indoors does not make us gods. The plants still have to do their thing in a certain genetic order.

Personally I've come to believe that we can not really speed that genetic timeline up, at least not much(but we can totally slow it down). I think our goal is to provide the most ideal conditions to facilitate the natural order of the growth so that it can happen as fast as the plant is genetically capable of.
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Man, well said. I totally understand where you’re coming from. Thanks man.
 
getogrow

getogrow

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It is impossible to speed up the genetic timeline.
ALL good breeders go by the flip time , not the flowering time. You are correct in saying not to put too much weight in them though because as you said those plants are not your plants. It's not a common misconception though , its the norm for indoors. When i say my plants are "2 weeks in" , everyone that knows anything also knows there is probably no flowering going on yet. As much as we try to recreate outdoors, we can't so that makes it different from growing outdoors.

Dont feed them , just give um water and pluck them soon.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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Sigh there is always someone that try's to ignore the biology. Thankfully it doesn't matter a lot when you count from the plants won't be done till they are done.

Good breeders definitely go off flower time not 12/12 time. That's a big reason many people harvest Too early. They think the plants need 9 weeks of 12/12 but really the breeder knows it is supposed To be 9 weeks from first flowers.

It's basic biology and just because you are growing indoors it doesn't change that biology. You are trying to over simplify out the transition stage and that leaves you with made up arbitrary numbers if you lump everything under 12/12 time.
 
getogrow

getogrow

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Thundercat said:
Sigh there is always someone that try's to ignore the biology. Thankfully it doesn't matter a lot when you count from the plants won't be done till they are done.
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Biology has nothing to do with the subject at hand. You are confusing "biology with terminology" . My way is IDENTICAL to yours ,.... we just count different. Now matter how you count , the plant wont be done till its done. Real simple. Obviously the transitional stage is still there , we just dont talk about it often. If were going to get all scientific an shit then lets quit calling them strains and call them species.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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getogrow said:
Biology has nothing to do with the subject at hand. You are confusing "biology with terminology" . My way is IDENTICAL to yours ,.... we just count different. Now matter how you count , the plant wont be done till its done. Real simple. Obviously the transitional stage is still there , we just dont talk about it often. If were going to get all scientific an shit then lets quit calling them strains and call them species.
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You are correct I encourage people to use the most accurate terminology to describe the plants biology and life cycles. For years I mis-used the terms pistils and calyxs. Once I learned that they were incorrect terms and on cannabis we are refering to stigma(hairs) and bracts(calyxs) I corrected my self and started using the correct terms.

I already said they are done when they are done. I just discourage stoner science of over simplifying it all. Why ignore aspects of the plant biology just to "count from a certain date".

Eliminating that inaccurate variable helps growers really understand better how long different phenotypes actually flower for. If you don't care about accuracy then just ignore this post, and move on.

I provide this info to help newer growers understand the plants growth process and biology better. If you are an experienced grower then its on you how much you care about the details.

I would much rather see cannabis growers getting smarter and more respected in the botany community over time, instead of just being "stoner weed growers". Accurately studying the plant is a good first step ✌.
 
getogrow

getogrow

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thanks for the correct info on bracts an stigmas ! i agree with you , i like us to be smarter too. Your right , botanist think we are stupid because most of us are when it comes to the basic biology of a plant or the microbiology in soil. Just to clear it up though, i do not ignore any aspects , i just dont use correct terminology. I even change things up during the transition phase because the plant has not gone into flower yet but in my world we call that "week 1 to...." Its all good though , i do appreciate your info.
 
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