Organic soil grow, necessary to flush?

IDK just replying cause this guy just asked yesterday haha.

If someone is looking at soil, they are looking at an opportunity to free themselves from the bottle. Unfortunately, there's the hydro companies with a new label selling organic ferts in a bottle... This makes me sad.

shonuff said:

IDK just replying cause this guy just asked yesterday haha.

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Thanks for replying. I am new to this forum and on my first grow. Here is a link to my grow in case you are curious. Some of these guys have been here for years and I apologize for revisiting the same question. Again, thanks for taking the time to respond without any attitude.

Rrog said:

If someone is looking at soil, they are looking at an opportunity to free themselves from the bottle. Unfortunately, there's the hydro companies with a new label selling organic ferts in a bottle... This makes me sad.

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I get where you are coming from. But a bottle of organic supplements removed one complication from my first grow. And believe me, there are a lot of moving pieces in establishing an indoor garden for the first time. You can probably remember way back to your first grow?

I am using Roots Organics because I wanted the benefits of natural ingredients even though I know there may be some manufacturer risk involved in contents vs making my own. As my experience increases, I can experiement with using organic soils that I can make myself like you are suggesting. My untimate goal and motivation for growing is to put quality herb into my body that's all organic.

Here is my link to my grow just in case your curious...

We want your grow to go really well. So you are planning to grow in soil or have you started?

Roots Organic is a fine way to get started with soil. I would get some worm castings so you can amend the Roots as you go. That way you'll have enough steam to finish the grow.

Rrog said:

We want your grow to go really well. So you are planning to grow in soil or have you started?

Roots Organic is a fine way to get started with soil. I would get some worm castings so you can amend the Roots as you go. That way you'll have enough steam to finish the grow.

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This first grow is with organic soil picked up at my local nursery without any nutrients added. I have used Roots Organic exclusively because when i went into my local hydro store and told them I want to grow organically, they handed me these bottles. Again I'm new , So I'm using the advice of others through reading books, forums and common sense!

I was told on my other thread that I might be Nitrogen deficient from the pics below? That's why I came back this morning to the Organics thread to get some more advice on a natural nitrogen option?

Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it!

How old are those and how long have they been in that soil? I assume you transplanted into the Roots?

Hydro stores are in business to take your cash. They rely on the fact that they are the presumed authority. They rely on stoner science.

People worldwide are growing all sorts of non-MJ plants. No one, and I mean no one outside of stoneville buys this crap. Do stoners know something the rest of the botanical world does not know? No, unfortunately due to the illegal nature of MJ, we stoners only talk to other stoners and stoner forums, which means you can have all sorts of ridiculous ideas running around.

MJ is a plant like all others. It makes ZERO sense that you have to do some of this near-voodoo rituals for MJ that you don't have to do to a tomato plant.

There is a simple, easy, cheap and better way.

Ya dude im no expert but thos pics look like N deficiency. If it were me I would start feeding every other watering with some N ferts or whatever you use for n. I would start slow and increase the amount slowly. If you are just planning on using Roots soil with no amendments or ferts it will not have enough Nutes in the soil for more then two two 3 weeks is what Ive noticed.

bro they are starving for n.p.k!

If you have some Earthworm Castings, I'd get a slurry with water and drench the soil. Good active VermiCompost is the best thing for a plant.

Do you have access to an Aloe plant?

If you have a feed store in town, you can buy Alfalfa. Soak a handful in a gallon of water. A bubbler in there would be great. Let bubble 36 hours. Take a weak dilution of this. Like 1/2 cup into a gallon of fresh water. It's very fast acting Nitrogen and can burn so you need this dilution. You'll also get a kick ass boost of growth hormones like Tricontanol. Use this as a foliar and a tea. Just a light application. You can keep the Alfalfa tea (with a bubbler to keep aerobic) for the N supply, but some of the plant enzymes will break down soon.

Also consider fish meal used sparingly like diluted in water. You don't want to burn. Don't use both of these initially.

The soil isn't overly moist, right? Looks like a great system with buckets, trays on wire shelf.

I'm curious how long they have been in that container of Roots. Have these been growing in this batch of Roots for weeks or did you transplant a week ago, kinda thing

Well guys I am about to harvest this will be my second organic crop and I will not be flushing this time. I have only fed my plants ocean forrest soil, kelp emulsion, fish emulsion for the first two months of veg then I continued with fish and kelp till week 6 then I used kelp, fish, happy frog, and molasses. I fed them a half gallon of this solution the day after every watering. The plants look and smell fantastic. 1 Crazy Miss Hyde, 1 Northern Lights X Skunk, 1 Caramelo, 1 Pakistan Valley, and 2 Critical Kush. I personally don't care for the critical kush but I'm going to try to let it get a bit more ripe this grow for maybe a bit more narcotic effect. It had a nice OG smell and mild OG taste but wasn't nearly as potent. Last organic grow I flushed several times the last week and both my grandaddy purp and critical kush tasted very smooth. I have noticed that my plants keep their leaves much greener till the end of harvest with organic nutrients vs chemical nutrients. I also feel like the buds are stickier than they were with chemical nutes.

Organic: During the last three weeks, you can feed nutrients. During the last two weeks, you can fee molasses. During the final week, feed only water. I regularly volcano-vape buds right off the plants, I get high as fuck and the flavors are still delicious.

madodah said:

Flushing is a mental hangover from hydro and chemical growing. If your grow medium is correctly prepared to sustain plants throughout their lifes cycles without chemical supplements you've created a living soil complete with microbe colonies that service plant requirements. What would be the purpose of flushing?

Taste is dependent on plant genetics, nothing else. Think about it; if plant taste/smoke was dependent on what's in the grow medium or (if one believes wild marketing claims) supplements, most would taste like bat/bird guano, decomposed cow manure and whatever else is in the grow medium.

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It's not the actual amendments ur plant takes in its the nutrients from them, you flush to remove most if not all the nutrients and amendments left from the soil so the plant can rely on what it has stored and if it takes in any that's left over its only enough for a very short time That's why your leaves start yellowing after a good flush. If there's still nutrients in the buds when u harvest them you still get a harsher smoke sizzling or crackling when you light it even with organics it's not a marketing scam the market just sells stuff to flush with one gallon compared to 15+ gallons of water per plant flushing even with organics brings ur quality up another notch