outdoor fertilizer
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crazyhazey
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i go organic, bat guano and worm castings in compost tea. dont have to water often since its humid in FL but when i do i use compost tea.
projectmayham
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Jack's is alright. You may want to use something that is better quality. Some of those cheaper fertilizers have GMO's in them and they aren't plant specific. If you like powders you should try Supernatural's Terra's. They have Gro terra for veg and then Bloom terra for flower. They are complete one parts. Its also pH buffered, so you don't need to adjust the pH after you mix. I've used it for a couple years now, inside and outdoors.
They have all the micro nutrients which is what makes the biggest difference between Miracale grow type ferts and professional high grade ferts.
www.supernaturalbrand.com
They have all the micro nutrients which is what makes the biggest difference between Miracale grow type ferts and professional high grade ferts.
www.supernaturalbrand.com
Turtlehermit
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Do you use it for soil plants and if so how often and how do you apply the powdered nutes to your plants? Also I would like to know if it is better than Fox Farms because eventually I am thinking of buying out the entire fox farm trio and going to go full fox farm as far as nutes go. It is always good to try out others though, just incase. 
crazyhazey
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if your on a budget, use jacks, dyna, and organics together. youll get great results and no salt buildup if you dont use the synthetic nutes every water.
crazyhazey
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if youve got the money and you can believe advanced gives "200%" bigger yields go ahead. try some dyna gro as well since your already flushing down money on advanced. youll have much better results im sure, and you probably wont have 4 different bottles of bloom nutes.
pickle8
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crazyhazey
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i know advanced is the biggest nutrient scams in the business and they target weed growers and give misinformation about their products. i have also used their grow-bloom-micro nutes plenty of times. wont give you nearly as good results. plants have roots that enjoy microbes, the best way to form good colonies of microbes is compost tea. advanced and many other companies may give you mycorrhyzae is a bottle but to really get an abundance you need to feed them and give stable oxygen, this will help them reproduce. advanced makes growers think their formulas will do a lot more than what they do, ive used their shit multiple times and in the past few years believe it or not they havent made any "breakthroughs". all their products are the same, if you do use advanced i advise you stay away from bud candy. they practically selling water and molasses for 50 bucks a gallon.
Sunbiz1
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http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/tones_plant.html
Available at Home Depot, just sprinkle and leave...rain finishes the job.
Available at Home Depot, just sprinkle and leave...rain finishes the job.
projectmayham
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To feed them, i had a 20gal res that i first fill up with water, then just mix in 1 tsp per gallon. As the plants get bigger i will up my strength to 1 1/2 to 2 tsp per gallon. It works just fine. Supernatural is pH buffered so i don't have to adjust the pH at all. And then they also have Ultimate thrive which is basically extra micro and macro nutrients which i add at 5ml per gallon. I follow their feeding schedule quite religiously. I do Feed/water/water and it works just fine. But if their looking hungry i'll do feed/feed/water.Do you use it for soil plants and if so how often and how do you apply the powdered nutes to your plants? Also I would like to know if it is better than Fox Farms because eventually I am thinking of buying out the entire fox farm trio and going to go full fox farm as far as nutes go. It is always good to try out others though, just incase.
I don't get much salt build up because im not feeding everytime. And yes i use it for soil. They have Gro and Bloom Terra which is designed for soil. I've never used fox farm execpt their additives, but i had a friend who i turned onto supernatural instead of fox farm, and he has way less problems with his garden now, than before when he was using fox farm and he's getting more weight on his harvest.
i hope this helps.
Nepaljam x Oaxaca
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Yes jacks classic 20-20-20 is great outdoors. Neptunes harvest fish (2-4-1) is a great outdoor floral spray. Liquid karma, Superthrive, algamin kelp meal, charcoal and manure are all great outdoor suppliments.
farmerjoe420
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for the convenience of only having to feed 3-5 times per season is a good reason to use heavy harvest along with the fact it was made to be used with cannabis. another thing, i agree with what your saying about plant health, but in the end npk along with minors and traces is what matters the most. the compost tea and the whole true living organics approach is sweet, im an organic man myself, but have you ever humped enough compost tea into the forest a mile or better with enough to use for 75 plants?? doesnt sound practical or even smart for that matter does it?? a handful of fertilizer every 3-4 weeks along with a constant water supply sounds a little more sensible doesnt it??
crazyhazey
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depends the size of your 75 plants, anything spent on growing bud is money well spent. if i could i would have a 30 gal reservoir, just add about 7 handfulls of bat guano/worm castingsand a 1/3 cup of blackstrap to it and youve got good feed for 75 plants, either way it will cost you a bunch of money to run this many plants in the first place.
and saying something is made for cannabis is purely ridiculous, marijuana needs the same shit as any other plants. synthetics will get you to the finish line but organics will give your weed a better taste as well as give them good root microbes for great growth, we all know roots are very crucial for the biggest fruits and microbes are a major benefit. i would use both if possible, but only feed them this compost mix every other water.
farmerjoe420
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let me ask you a question then. what do you think AN is making there products for, vegetable gardens?? that is ridiculous if you think that. as for root growth and big fruits, its not so cut and dry as organics = big roots synthetics= less roots. the texture of your soil and the amount of water and nutrients available, organic or synthetics, will determine rootmass as well as plant and bud size. synthetics will get you to the finish line is a ridiculous statement when everyone knows synthetics out perform organics in rate of growth and yeild. i understand your point and if i were only growing for myself or a small group i would strictly do organics, but im not. i play for money.
Sunbiz1
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Mornin' Joe,
I do strictly organic, but keep getting tempted to add a "bloom booster" or whatever simply b/c so many here swear by them.
If you could use only 1 product in addition to organics for flowering, which would you choose?.
Mr.Marijuana420
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whats with the he said she said bullshit, the guy asked if it was appropriate fertilizer for the situation, and every1 plays this opinions game, "no go organic, no do super soil, answer his quesion, and if u do'nt know for sure dnt put input in. and for the ppl stating their opinions put IMO, so newcomers dont assume that ur OPINIONS are the general concensious for growing cannabis. so off my rant ill try and answer ur question best as i can, it sound like ur fert is more of and all purpose all plants type fertilizer, which is ok it will provide the plant what it needs throughout its life, and is certainly better than no nutes, but my recomendatin is that u may use this through veg without major issues, but switch to a flowering formula for budding, something with low nitrogen, also dnt over do it, ur using chemical nutes so eaz up on them, dont feed them as much as u want to, read the directions, cut nute strength in half, and maybe add an extra day between recomended feeding schedules. and i leave u with that
crazyhazey
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lol, who told you synthetics outperform organics? please point me to this thread, and dont tell me "hydroponics" because were talking about soil. i use both, im not bashing synthetics. and if you support AN already, i need not argue a point, and this means you will probably be investing in all their various snake oils and other shit that no different than the last bottle they sold you. this, believe it or not, is not profitable at all. youll be buying 5 different veg nutes, 5 different flower nutes and probably some other nutrients that promises "400% more yield!" if you fall for this, im sorry the people at the hydro store got in your head.
people who make "weed-specific" nutrients are obviously out to overcharge dumbasses who really believe their scientific mumbo jumbo thats not even true. look up their history, i guarantee you will not be please.
synthetics often dont offer microbes, which benefit root growth immensely. and synthetic can burn your plants and give them bitter smoke from salt buildup, ive never had this problem since i only use a bit of synthetics for the last 4 weeks of flower.
Sunbiz1
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Well fuck it then, I'll stick to worm castings and epsoma..lol.