outdoor fertilizer

crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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Sunbiz1 said:
Well fuck it then, I'll stick to worm castings and epsoma..lol.
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lol honestly id say your better off but a touch of synthetics can really go an extra mile in late flower. for veg and early flower i dont even need nutes although, just worm castings and high N guano and i still havent had a deficiency since switching, and of course not one burn. but during flower, they can always use a bit of an extra push, tiny bits of tip burn arent a problem if you flush properly. and im not talking like expensive synthetics, i use anything super high in p or k, jacks classics and dyna gro are great for their price. i personally have used monster bloom, its super cheap and pretty effective.
 
Sunbiz1

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crazyhazey said:
lol honestly id say your better off but a touch of synthetics can really go an extra mile in late flower. for veg and early flower i dont even need nutes although, just worm castings and high N guano and i still havent had a deficiency since switching, and of course not one burn. but during flower, they can always use a bit of an extra push, tiny bits of tip burn arent a problem if you flush properly. and im not talking like expensive synthetics, i use anything super high in p or k, jacks classics and dyna gro are great for their price. i personally have used monster bloom, its super cheap and pretty effective.
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I can't go that route unless I abandon re-using my soil via reconditioning...the blend improves w/age and saves $$. I hardly use anything but castings plus a teaspoon of granule nutes here and there. If I go that route it would be solely for in-grounds come fall, and even then it would have 2/b something compatible with a somewhat alkaline soil in the woods.
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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Sunbiz1 said:
I can't go that route unless I abandon re-using my soil via reconditioning...the blend improves w/age and saves $$. I hardly use anything but castings plus a teaspoon of granule nutes here and there. If I go that route it would be solely for in-grounds come fall, and even then it would have 2/b something compatible with a somewhat alkaline soil in the woods.
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is still reuse all of my soil regardless what nutrients, just keep them in a planter at first, flood them a few times(like REALLY flood them) then throw them in your compost pile. if youve got high pH soil i suggest adding composted leaves and branches or a bit of peat moss if you can get your hands on some. i havent planted in ground in a while but when i still did i flooded the area i wanted to use days before and added my own nutrients as well as perlite. i still fed it synthetics no problem, just bloom boost and it was living off the bat guano i had buried about a foot under.
 
farmerjoe420

farmerjoe420

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crazyhazey said:
lol, who told you synthetics outperform organics? please point me to this thread, and dont tell me "hydroponics" because were talking about soil. i use both, im not bashing synthetics. and if you support AN already, i need not argue a point, and this means you will probably be investing in all their various snake oils and other shit that no different than the last bottle they sold you. this, believe it or not, is not profitable at all. youll be buying 5 different veg nutes, 5 different flower nutes and probably some other nutrients that promises "400% more yield!" if you fall for this, im sorry the people at the hydro store got in your head.
people who make "weed-specific" nutrients are obviously out to overcharge dumbasses who really believe their scientific mumbo jumbo thats not even true. look up their history, i guarantee you will not be please.
synthetics often dont offer microbes, which benefit root growth immensely. and synthetic can burn your plants and give them bitter smoke from salt buildup, ive never had this problem since i only use a bit of synthetics for the last 4 weeks of flower.
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your obviously an immature douce thats wants to argue so i will not give you the pleasure after this post. nobody told me synthetics outperform organics, ive learned it from experience in soil, not hydro. im not trying to argue pro chemical because im an organic man as ive said but why do you think just about every big farm on earth use synthetic fertilizers??? because they yeild better faster and are more practical for large scale as i was saying. if i could grow in my yard i would do all organic but i grow in a forest where organics, attract animals and not worth the risk of losing a crop because a animal wants to come along and eat my crop. as i said before, i play for money, not fun or the satisfaction of smoking all natural weed. im a gureilla grower and not a member of the fucking tree huggers union. if you read what heavy harvest is you will see it doesnt have 10 different botlles just 3 formulas, veg, pre flower, and flower of dry slow release fertilizer and thats it no snake oil. i think the snake oil would be better suited to grease your ass. and by the way i dont go the hydro store because i know what to spend my money on. and if you had any idea what you were talking about you would know that root growth is is based on the texture of the soil, the amount of oxygen present at the rootzone, and the amount of water and nutrients available thats it.
 
farmerjoe420

farmerjoe420

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Sunbiz1 said:
Mornin' Joe,

I do strictly organic, but keep getting tempted to add a "bloom booster" or whatever simply b/c so many here swear by them.

If you could use only 1 product in addition to organics for flowering, which would you choose?.
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now thats a tough question. right now im leaning toward maxsea but could think of a few others that would do it.
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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farmerjoe420 said:
your obviously an immature douce thats wants to argue so i will not give you the pleasure after this post. nobody told me synthetics outperform organics, ive learned it from experience in soil, not hydro. im not trying to argue pro chemical because im an organic man as ive said but why do you think just about every big farm on earth use synthetic fertilizers??? because they yeild better faster and are more practical for large scale as i was saying. if i could grow in my yard i would do all organic but i grow in a forest where organics, attract animals and not worth the risk of losing a crop because a animal wants to come along and eat my crop. as i said before, i play for money, not fun or the satisfaction of smoking all natural weed. im a gureilla grower and not a member of the fucking tree huggers union. if you read what heavy harvest is you will see it doesnt have 10 different botlles just 3 formulas, veg, pre flower, and flower of dry slow release fertilizer and thats it no snake oil. i think the snake oil would be better suited to grease your ass. and by the way i dont go the hydro store because i know what to spend my money on. and if you had any idea what you were talking about you would know that root growth is is based on the texture of the soil, the amount of oxygen present at the rootzone, and the amount of water and nutrients available thats it.
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weak minds resort to name calling, keep that in mind "immature douce", douch would have been a better choice although.
and synthetics are used in big time grows because it can be expensive to fill your pots full of guano and worm castings, they use synthetics for that specific reason. but there are such things as organic farms, where they do use this. if your growing in the woods, its normal to have things attacking your crops, this will happen regardless if you use synthetics or organics. use chicken/barbed wire if you have this problem.
they arent "better" than organics, but can be easier to use and more available for uptake, if anything id say i have better yields using organics. your idea of root growth is fine, but you dont take into account that root systems are alive and enjoy microbial colonies. feeding these colonies is vital for good root growth.
go smoke a joint and calm down, thats why we grow weed right?
 
*BUDS

*BUDS

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Bceazy said:
Gotz a ? for anyone What is the best fertilizer to use . i heard good stuff about Peter Jacks 20-20-20
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People are doing a lot of typing and whinging in some cases to help you, where the fuck are you? give some feedback to these people and next time give more details in your Q, for eg are you guerilla growing or just a little plant in the back yard?
 
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MJUNCo

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*BUDS said:
People are doing a lot of typing and whinging in some cases to help you, where the fuck are you? give some feedback to these people and next time give more details in your Q, for eg are you guerilla growing or just a little plant in the back yard?
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He obvi lost interest alreddi!!
 
Mr.Marijuana420

Mr.Marijuana420

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crazyhazey said:
weak minds resort to name calling, keep that in mind "immature douce", douch would have been a better choice although.
and synthetics are used in big time grows because it can be expensive to fill your pots full of guano and worm castings, they use synthetics for that specific reason. but there are such things as organic farms, where they do use this. if your growing in the woods, its normal to have things attacking your crops, this will happen regardless if you use synthetics or organics. use chicken/barbed wire if you have this problem.
they arent "better" than organics, but can be easier to use and more available for uptake, if anything id say i have better yields using organics. your idea of root growth is fine, but you dont take into account that root systems are alive and enjoy microbial colonies. feeding these colonies is vital for good root growth.
go smoke a joint and calm down, thats why we grow weed right?
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its actually Douche* i believe, had to be that guy, to farmer joe my opinion on y farms use synthetics is because, they run commercial operations and are strictly based on profit not care, meaning if they get a bigger harvest, they use is, bigger isnt always better. , if ur a country boy u should know that nothing beats the all organic fruits and veggies that the old lady sells out front of her house up the street , full of flavor and juices and care put into them, does store bought come close to comparing. and thats how i see organically grown pot, if u take care outta the equation, and are strictly set on yields, u will have less than quality marijuana,
 
farmerjoe420

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Mr.Marijuana420 said:
its actually Douche* i believe, had to be that guy, to farmer joe my opinion on y farms use synthetics is because, they run commercial operations and are strictly based on profit not care, meaning if they get a bigger harvest, they use is, bigger isnt always better. , if ur a country boy u should know that nothing beats the all organic fruits and veggies that the old lady sells out front of her house up the street , full of flavor and juices and care put into them, does store bought come close to comparing. and thats how i see organically grown pot, if u take care outta the equation, and are strictly set on yields, u will have less than quality marijuana,
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i know i already said this and i will say it again. im an organic guy for sure. indoors or for personal im organic all the way. i mix my own soil and im in agreement that organics grow generally healthier plants. what im saying is i dont grow outdoors for flavor or the best possible plant health. i grow for yeild which equals money. i do know that nothing beats organic fruits and veggies because of the flavor, not the yeild. i grow all my veggies organic and have for years but what i know from experience is this, while my fruits now taste better, they grow slower than if i grew them in a bed of promix and blasted them with jacks classic. and thats not true that synthetics yeild less quality marijuana. the plant still produces thc regardless of cultivation methods. potency lies in genitics and plant health and just because a plant isnt grown organically doesnt mean its not healthy. the taste is in the fade/flush then the cure. i dont see how using synthetics equals not caring for your plants. i garuantee a hole full of promix with extra perlite, lime for a buffer, constant water, and a complete fertilizer will out yeild most organic grows.
 
crazyhazey

crazyhazey

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farmerjoe420 said:
i know i already said this and i will say it again. im an organic guy for sure. indoors or for personal im organic all the way. i mix my own soil and im in agreement that organics grow generally healthier plants. what im saying is i dont grow outdoors for flavor or the best possible plant health. i grow for yeild which equals money. i do know that nothing beats organic fruits and veggies because of the flavor, not the yeild. i grow all my veggies organic and have for years but what i know from experience is this, while my fruits now taste better, they grow slower than if i grew them in a bed of promix and blasted them with jacks classic. and thats not true that synthetics yeild less quality marijuana. the plant still produces thc regardless of cultivation methods. potency lies in geneics and plant health and just because a plant isnt grown organically doesnt mean its not healthy. the taste is in the fade/flush then the cure. i dont see how using synthetics equals not caring for your plants. i garuntee a hole full of promix with extra perlite, lime for a buffer, constant water, and a complete fertilizer will out yeild most organic grows.
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yes, in a way jacks does seem to make the process faster since the salt based nutes are more readily available but like you said, they dont have quite the taste that organics seem to bring to the table. im not saying either yield better, i like using both rather than one. im organic now because of salt buildups, burns, etc and its been a long road since i was using all of ANs bullshit, like liquid carbo load, i think it was called like super bloom, regular sensi bloom and all those ridiculous things. imo, nutrient companies usually like to complicate things, just an observation though. if used perfectly, yes, synthetics can work well, but if you overfeed/underfeed at all, it usually puts you behind a day or 2. organics are always in my soil mix, so if shes hungry shes just gotta spread out her roots a bit. i cant say really which yields better, ive only used jacks once but also used organics in bush grow i was doing, it may have been because of genetics but the organic plant in the bush always seemed "happy" like her leaves were always perky. while the one on jacks was doing alright, a bit of tip burn but it grew well all in all, the bush one yielded about 23 grams dry and the one on my porch was about 18 grams dried i'd say, both were clones but i have a feeling that the bush one had better root mass so that might have made the experiment unfair.
 
Mr.Marijuana420

Mr.Marijuana420

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farmerjoe420 said:
i know i already said this and i will say it again. im an organic guy for sure. indoors or for personal im organic all the way. i mix my own soil and im in agreement that organics grow generally healthier plants. what im saying is i dont grow outdoors for flavor or the best possible plant health. i grow for yeild which equals money. i do know that nothing beats organic fruits and veggies because of the flavor, not the yeild. i grow all my veggies organic and have for years but what i know from experience is this, while my fruits now taste better, they grow slower than if i grew them in a bed of promix and blasted them with jacks classic. and thats not true that synthetics yeild less quality marijuana. the plant still produces thc regardless of cultivation methods. potency lies in genitics and plant health and just because a plant isnt grown organically doesnt mean its not healthy. the taste is in the fade/flush then the cure. i dont see how using synthetics equals not caring for your plants. i garuantee a hole full of promix with extra perlite, lime for a buffer, constant water, and a complete fertilizer will out yeild most organic grows.
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i i wont argue that u can still have quality plants using synthetics, and i didnt mean that u dont care for them either,yield is just not my main prioriority. i am still experimenting with things too, there hasnt been many times ive been completely satitisfied with the weed that ive bought, i can always find something wrong with it.im growing for my preferences,im trying organics this year because its different, and id like to see the final product for myself, rather than hear about it. in the future id like to run a side by side indoor op, with identical conditions and strains and giv one synthetics and one organics, give both a proper cure, and determine my own results. as i said my weed is for me after sellin most of my harvest last year, and having to rely on the unreliability of drug dealers from there on after, ill be sure to grow enough quality smoke to last me the year and then some,this year. whatever extra ill sell but i figure 3 lbs should hold me for the year
 
Mr.Marijuana420

Mr.Marijuana420

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Mr.Marijuana420 said:
i i wont argue that u can still have quality plants using synthetics, and i didnt mean that u dont care for them either,yield is just not my main prioriority. i am still experimenting with things too, there hasnt been many times ive been completely satitisfied with the weed that ive bought, i can always find something wrong with it.im growing for my preferences,im trying organics this year because its different, and id like to see the final product for myself, rather than hear about it. in the future id like to run a side by side indoor op, with identical conditions and strains and giv one synthetics and one organics, give both a proper cure, and determine my own results. as i said my weed is for me after sellin most of my harvest last year, and having to rely on the unreliability of drug dealers from there on after, ill be sure to grow enough quality smoke to last me the year and then some,this year. whatever extra ill sell but i figure 3 lbs should hold me for the year
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and imo, outdoors, if u give ur plants the proper sun and nutrient, whether they be organic or synthetic, both will yield significant amounts
 
DR. RESINTHUMB

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you might have a better yield with synthetics,but nothing beats natural organics imo for taste...i use alaskan 5-1-1 fish ferts for veg and budswel for flower
 
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shizz

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DR. RESINTHUMB said:
you might have a better yield with synthetics,but nothing beats natural organics imo for taste...i use alaskan 5-1-1 fish ferts for veg and budswel for flower
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im a farmer i gro all kinds of crops. from fruit to grain. i dont us synthetics on my pot. or my veg garden. and i grow vegetables commercial. there's a huge diff in taste. i have all kinds of free fertilizer and so does everyone else. my commercial veg i do. i like filling the bottom of my holes with alapha about a inch and at least 3 feet below the plant. and at least 2 months before planting it needs time to break down. thats no all i us that just my faverite thing to us they grow really big and like that stuff.
 
getawaymountain

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we use earth juice grow and bloom and seaweed extract that we make ourself from pure ascophyllum nodosum for micro nutes and all the other goodies in it it has worked great and the bud is always tasty
 
Nepaljam x Oaxaca

Nepaljam x Oaxaca

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Organic growers use molasses to make up for the loss in yeild from useing organics. Synthetic always out preforms organics, because thats what it was formulated to do
 
Nepaljam x Oaxaca

Nepaljam x Oaxaca

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The only organics i would recommend are coffie grounds, wood ash, charcoal, urea, mycorrhizae, and benificial insects. If it was made in a factory its not organic... organic would be natural sources broke down by weathering in nature, you cant buy organics in a bottle...
 
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