Over Priced Fertilizers

Ok... In the world of "grow your own" there are many players : Foxfarm, Botanicare, Dutch Masters, Advanced Nutrients.. and on and on it goes. They all claim to have the one formula. The key to unlocking all the doors to mary's squeeze box - buds the size of baseball bats.
What are in these magical brews of modern technology ? Manure -aka- Bat or Seabird Guano, Worm Castings, Chicken Poop, even Llama manure - all basically manure in a liquid form, plus unsulphured molasses, a little seaweed extract, greensand, volcanic rock dust, or humic acid, even Mychorizzal Fungi (which is found in worm poop).
So, why do they ask for so much of our money in exchange for their manure ? And why do, we seem so willing to pay it ? I am not afraid of manure, I tought your were supose to get your hands dirty when farming ? I have always been a Fix-it-yourself kinda guy, so here & now I proclaim WAR on Overpriced Nutrients - Join the fight. If you have a good formula for some magic juice - post it. If, you know of some cheap, but productive fertilizer - tell us about it - like how much it cost, whats in it & where to get it. It's the laws of supply & demand - Stop paying the "Big Guys" prices & eventually they will come down.... Viva la Revolution
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Were not the only ones to use these products. They weren't created for growing weed, we just use them for that. Prices will never go down.

cougarslayer said:

Were not the only ones to use these products. They weren't created for growing weed, we just use them for that. Prices will never go down.

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Actually i believe advanced were created for weed. Thats why they are considered the gold standard

Many of them are obviously aimed at weed growers like us.
Think about it, who in their right mind would spend the kind of money on
additives to grow tomatoes, lettuce or strawberries?
Plus the use of key words like BUD in their literiture.

I'll take the time to inform the world of SUPERNATURAL nutrients.

they are powdered form, and I love them!!!

Powders go a lot farther than liquid nutes....

spiked1 said:

Many of them are obviously aimed at weed growers like us.
Think about it, who in their right mind would spend the kind of money on
additives to grow tomatoes, lettuce or strawberries?
Plus the use of key words like BUD in their literiture.

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So, true. I want to stimulate as much discussion as possible about these fertilizers. Most of their secret fourmulas, are pretty basic stuff for the most part. Different guanos, molasses, good fungi.. etc.. and can be bought much cheaper. Education is nice, but their is no substitute for Experience. So, If you have mixed up some of natures goodies in the past & got good results. Share them.

Example:

(1) oz of unsulphured molasses to a gallon of unchlorinated water is a pretty decent, every other watering formula - during veggie growth.

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(4) tablespoons of high N bat guano to a gallon of unchlorinated water & (4) tablespoons or worm castings. They compliment each other. I use this during, week four of veggie growth.

Blue Mtn. Organics - a real small company in the Ozarks, sells a pretty good organic plant tonic - they give the ingredients list on the Ebay listing for the stuff. I have bought & used it with great results. I am currently trying to figure out their mixing ratio's of stuff in it. If, anyone knows it - post it. Their prices are pretty reasonable, compared to others - but I am a very frugal guy. If, I can make it for five - I will not buy it for ten.
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Most of the nute lineups that people use and talk about here were designed for MJ. However, most of them are waaay overpriced and broken up into way too many separate packages ( more $$$ for the manufacturer ). MJ growers waste millions a year on crap that doesn't make their buds any bigger or better. I laugh when I read people bragging about their hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of nutes.

Thats why I love supernatural there fert comes as powders which go a long way, and they are 1 part nutes.

They have thought specifically about the large scale grower, it provides quality product for cheaply.

It a one step up from GH powders IMO.

ganjagoddess said:

Thats why I love supernatural there fert comes as powders which go a long way, and they are 1 part nutes.

They have thought specifically about the large scale grower, it provides quality product for cheaply.

It a one step up from GH powders IMO.

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Yeah, are you talking about using just the grow and bloom aquas? They have a bunch of nichy little products for all kinds of things. But those two seem pretty simple, and not too expensive if they go as far as it would seem.

Yeah We dont go for anything additives, just base nutes, light, water, air, and love.

the only true organics is tea, to have sick tasteing buds you brew your tea's .I made mine out of a 55 gallon drum and bought the sreen online. you basically buy worm castings and throw in the screen to aerate while the water recirculates from a pump ,and you brew for 36 hrs.Its the top notch fertilizer and you can just use it as a stand alone. but I use with a little ferts,you can buy worm bends with 3 diff sections that catch the worm csstings and its free.and you can buy worms online cheap,after dinner throw leftovers to the worms
my shit will smoke anybody fertilizer and you will never burn seedlings or small clones.I have been doing hydro for a while and I now switch to soil just becuase I can have true organics and make it myself free. pm me and I will show you sites on how to make your own teas stop wasting money when you can do it your self. peace PH2
and works for hydro . I just see the light bra.

ganjagoddess said:

I'll take the time to inform the world of SUPERNATURAL nutrients.

they are powdered form, and I love them!!!

Powders go a lot farther than liquid nutes....

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Cheaper to ship too!

ya its cheapest to make ur own stuff
but if u dont have a lot of time and equipment and such its not really possible

i mean u get what u pay for rite?
its not easy to make sure u get all the nutes in the rite amounts an whatnot

plus mixin up 55 gal of tea aint exactly stealth yanno?

i mite spend more but its werth it 2 me

Let's recycle this old thread.... in case someone missed it.
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Keep it Real...Organic...

I gotta say that the FF line is seriously quality nutrients. the price isnt outrageous, and if your not into making your own teas, or if your a newbie and you dont know what to look for, Fox Farm more or less takes care of all your basic nutrient needs for pot plants. I dont know if they direct their marketing towards pot plants, but their feeding schedule works perfectly in conjunction with a pot plants life cycle, giving off a 12 wk feeding schedule, lol. Kinda uncanny if u ask me

But, i wanna talk about Humboldt County's Own nutrients. They ARE expensive, yes, but ive just recently picked up some Purple Maxx, and Gravity for my plants during flowering. So far im only using the P Maxx, as the gravity is more of a flower finisher. The Maxx is working so far,has promoted a rather huge growth spurt in my plants, and really has just increased the overall health of the plants. Ive even cut my nutrient regimen by 1/2, just to accomadate the additives, so thats money saved right there on base nutrients aswell. I only bought the 8oz bottles because theyre so expensive, but so far i gotta say its worth it. Humboldt nutes are SPECIFICALLY directed towards cannabis growing. All of those nutrients produced in the "emerald triangle" are directed towards cannabis, and while not all of them are any better than what Fox Farm would put out, i really think that this company might be on to something, as from things ive seen said about these additive alone and the good things theyve done for plants, that their nutrient line has got to be good aswell. They dont really give up their formula on the bottles here, but they do list an active ingredient on each bottle -- the pmaxx has Organic and AMino acids listed as active ingredients, but they do not comprise the entire ingredient list -- Gravity has Sea Kelp Extract, and Thiamine Hydrochloride as some of their active ingredients. Other than that, their formula remains a secret, but i think ill be buying again

I have to say that I got sucked into the marketing glitz by Advanced Nutes last year; wound up spending well over $600 for about 14 different "Must Have" products. Still didn't have 5 lb nugs, not even 1/4 lb and I had good genetics. I'm using Iconic this grow; it's cheap and simple. +rep for you bro for a great thread but I don't have the knowledge or the time to get it to make my own poo goo.

potpimp said:

I have to say that I got sucked into the marketing glitz by Advanced Nutes last year; wound up spending well over $600 for about 14 different "Must Have" products. Still didn't have 5 lb nugs, not even 1/4 lb and I had good genetics. I'm using Iconic this grow; it's cheap and simple. +rep for you bro for a great thread but I don't have the knowledge or the time to get it to make my own poo goo.

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Potpimp... Thanks for the + rep... Even for people who don't make their own, knowing all your options - is a good thing. You can always topdress, some dry stuff like Bat Guano.
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Keep it Real....

spiked1 said:

Many of them are obviously aimed at weed growers like us. Think about it, who in their right mind would spend the kind of money on additives to grow tomatoes, lettuce or strawberries?

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The biggest scam are those ferts that claim were created for growing pot. What kind of bullshit is that? A plant is a plant is a plant, and most have a 12 week span between seed and harvest. They all need larger amounts of N while vegging and more PK while flowering. I'm sure a lot of tomato growers buy GH products, Fox Farm, etc. I know I use my nutes for both my ganja & vegetable crops.

As for a good formula, I've personally used Advanced Nutrients, Earth Juice & GH Flora Nova. I've liked the latter most because of its good PH stabilizing and the fact that it's very concentrated. A few teaspoons sends the PPM up the roof.

I'm also a fan of foliar feeding, and even though it is very expensive, the Nitrozime product is worth every penny IMO. I use it for the first 4 weeks of flowering.

a plant is a plant sure but different plants are different

sumthin made 4 pot is gonna grow pot better than sumthin made for lawns
just common sense

cats and dogs need diffrent food and their more the same genetic-wise than most plants are

A plant is a plant..... Hmm.. not quite. All are are slightly different. Some prefer more acidic soil, some prefer more alkaline soil. Some are light feeders (like true Sativas), others are nute monsters (old school indicas). So, I can't agree with the a plant is a plant thing.
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Do you need pricey nutes to grow good weed. No, you can get it done with most ferts, as long as they are fed at reasonable levels. Mega-Nutes equal mega trouble, most of the time. Stay clear of big numbered nutes.
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Higher prices don't always equal better results either.
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Botanicare, Fox Farm, Earth Juice and BMO are all great ferts and not expensive IMO. On the first three, just shop around a bit, and you can save money, someone is always having a sale. The BMO stuff is always reasonable, I got on Ebay last night bought several items. I love the fact that BMO only charges $ 11.50 to ship from four to twenty items. Who else would ship twenty items for that ?
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With all nutes, just feed low, slow & steady. Work upwards, then as your plants approach the finish, work downwards on nute strengths. Please don't force feed Mary, it does not increase yield (no matter what claims are made by the big fert companies). Good genetics, grown propertly yield best. Force fed plants, taste like ferts when smoked and have reduced yields. Snap, Crackle, Yuck......No thanks.....
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Keep it Real....Organic....
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