Over-watered, now one is ACTING like it is over-watered

Slipon said:

best suggestion is to use Cup`s in the future, hard to over water and make the plant grow a nice root net in the center for the final pot, I use a 1 gallon after that then a 3 and then either a 5 or 7 gallon for flowering (a week before)

a small seedling in a big pot is a bad combo IMO you cant really water it probably, need to water with a cup of water and then add on as day`s go by, move out to the side`s so you make the seedling reach out its root`s to collect water and fill the pot

over watering is actually not to much water, it is lack of oxygen in the medium, old stalled water can make a medium like soil almost with out oxygen for the root`s and they need it, as you can read in the article, it wont take much more then 24 hours with out oxygen to start a root rot


if it was me I would still try with a bit of H2O2 on the worse looking one, maybe half a te spoon in a big cup of water, the H2O2 will make it evaporate in a day, you will be amazed, don't over do it tho, once the plant seem to have bounce back and your in control of the medium agin, stop, a few times after with a few drop`s of H2O2 will insure any root rot is removed and you can go one growing a healthy plant

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You are ensuing hope in me my friend! I am a lot happier already.

What I did was put a few drops in a spray bottle and sprayed the soil about 10 times, this was before you responded about spraying the sides. Do I need to spray it more? Does it have to be drenched? Because you said a cup and that seems like SO much compared to a few spritz.

I believe it has to be drenched with the concentration of H2O2 Slipon mentioned above, only then H2O2 will start doing its job in all of the soil - filling it with oxygen and neutralizing any fungus or root rot. I doubt that spraying will do any good, cause it will touch only the surface of the medium whereas plant roots are deeper..

Im sure it will have some sort of effect, but the reason why I said a Cup is that you want it down to the "old" water, and pass the roots of your seedling

the H2O2 will break up and make lots of O2 that will team up and make a pair = a stable O2 atom = oxygen, and that is what you want down there around your root`s and down with the old water, so your seedling can breath agin and so the old water evaporate

when I did it I had a nice big healthy Veg plant about to go in to flowering, I had very dry conditions from the cold winter/spring, so had a similar problem, top soil was dry but bottom was`t

a solution on that is a cheap soil moist meter



even show PH as well I know its not accurate, at all, but do give you a picture of whats going on in there and if there is any changes

but I used 2 gallon of water and 5 table spoons of 3% H2O2 after a day the plant look nice and healthy agin and after two I had to water agin !!! you could see on the top soil layer small "hole`s" from air escaping, arrogating the soil

maybe just use up the spray bottle, or some of it, to drench the top soil so your sure it run down a few inch`s

Slipon said:

Im sure it will have some sort of effect, but the reason why I said a Cup is that you want it down to the "old" water, and pass the roots of your seedling

the H2O2 will break up and make lots of O2 that will team up and make a pair = a stable O2 atom = oxygen, and that is what you want down there around your root`s and down with the old water, so your seedling can breath agin and so the old water evaporate

when I did it I had a nice big healthy Veg plant about to go in to flowering, I had very dry conditions from the cold winter/spring, so had a similar problem, top soil was dry but bottom was`t

a solution on that is a cheap soil moist meter

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even show PH as well I know its not accurate, at all, but do give you a picture of whats going on in there and if there is any changes

but I used 2 gallon of water and 5 table spoons of 3% H2O2 after a day the plant look nice and healthy agin and after two I had to water agin !!! you could see on the top soil layer small "hole`s" from air escaping, arrogating the soil

maybe just use up the spray bottle, or some of it, to drench the top soil so your sure it run down a few inch`s

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Sounds good man, I used almost the rest of the bottle on it and used the rest on the other dying plant. Will update when I see significant changes!

sounds good, nothing left to do then cross fingers and wait

they did`t look completely dead, so Im sure there is hope, when you water i the future, try not to have to warm water, keep it down on 15-20C (18C is what you should aim for) as hot water cant hold the same amount of oxygen as cold water, but you don't want it to cold either, it will just shock the roots

I like to shake the bottle a bit, some even use air stones over night to add oxygen to the water

not nesseary, as long as you keep your soil airy and light, with a good amount of perlite and/or coco, lega stones, green sand and make sure your pot`s have nice drain hole`s

waynebebay said:

Sounds good man, I used almost the rest of the bottle on it and used the rest on the other dying plant. Will update when I see significant changes!

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whoa man, that "almost the rest of the bottle.." sounded scary make sure you don't overdose from the excitement

Slipon said:

sounds good, nothing left to do then cross fingers and wait

they did`t look completely dead, so Im sure there is hope, when you water i the future, try not to have to warm water, keep it down on 15-20C (18C is what you should aim for) as hot water cant hold the same amount of oxygen as cold water, but you don't want it to cold either, it will just shock the roots

I like to shake the bottle a bit, some even use air stones over night to add oxygen to the water

not nesseary, as long as you keep your soil airy and light, with a good amount of permit and/or coco, lega stones, green sand and make sure your pot`s have nice drain hole`s

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Slipon, should this method be avoided when not critical? I mean that oxygen can boost the growth, elements uptake etc. but probably it would kill some useful bacteria or other microorganisms?

And how fast does that bacteria get back to the soil after h2o2 watering? Also if e.g. I used some plastic bag to increase humidity and top of the soil got some white hairy mold, would that help get rid of it as well?
Thanks

yes you are correct, its not sumthing that is advisable to use on a "daily" base in soil, atleast not organic soil, as the H2O2 will attach its self to any organic materiel, also the useful bacteria, so not just the rot or bug`s

IMO its a option if your plant look like his, or like mine, sucks to loose a big healthy plant to one mistake, specially since all your plant need is a bit of air/oxygen to its root`s, basically just drowning, and a small bottle of H2O2 cost next to nothing and can do that, pretty amazing using physics and not some chemical or anything harmful

how ever I do use it in my hempy bucket now, since I have it and know the effect every time I water/changes water, but just a few drop`s in the water Can, along with some GH micro/bloom, just to keep the bucket/roots clean and provide some extra oxygen for my semi hydro bucket with no pump


and good question, Im no expert, had problems myself a few months back, so did a bit of research, best article I came across was that one I posted, and have been wondering the same, been doing some more research, but couldn't find anything 100% conclusive, after I had the problem I switch to a mineral based organic nutrients tho, just to make sure it got the food needed

Im normally in my own SS mix





tho look like the soil slowly get back to normal, cant say for sure, but my best guess, is over a week and if you treat it well Im sure you wont notice any ill effect after one or two treatments

sumthing nice I did notice tho, is its seem`s like the soil is even lighter afterword`s


made some experiments on a normal house plant, and it exploded

pictures from before, nice and healthy, from all the TLC it gets from left overs




and now, 7 week`s later




sorry for the mess and dunno how clear it is on the pictures ? (notice the pot is moved a foot back on the counter) but new grow tips every where, even breaking up from the soil

well back to whats important, after a few waterings with a bit of H2O2 Im back to organic stuff (the same as I give my ladies normally) clean water, sumtimes with a bit of Epsom salt, or Molasses, or Bat guano tea etc. and seems to love it and soil seem fine, Im sure the micro life bounce back pretty quickly, depending on how hard you hit it and how you treat it afterwords

sorry for the long post


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soil have 50,000 bacteria per gram, 50,000 diffrent bacteria`s actually, so Im sure some survives

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Thanks man! really helpful!

no problem, like to help if Im able to

if you ever experience problems with powder mildew this is worth the 8 minutes of you time as H2O2 also can help you with that, he is also a cool guy, have other useful videos online



[video=youtube;S7jE7qzfgQs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7jE7qzfgQs[/video]

lol it sounds funny... underwatered soil has to be completely dry... how can u not notice this??? the easiest thing to determine... its way more dif to determine whether it's too wet or not.. well you grow and u learn ))