Overfeeding organic nutrients?

MustangStudFarm

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Its hard enough to get people convinced that composted manure isnt too hot to grow plants in....
I wonder if other people had as hard of a time growing in it as I have. Again, I think that you just got lucky and found a good source of manure. I bet if you asked, they add something like comfrey or borage to their compost. They have to be adding in something(Fe, Mn, Zn) that binds phosphorus to where it is not available anymore and will not tie up the micros.
 

ganga gurl420

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I wish that someone would have told me to use TM-7 or Big-6 is all... The problem that I have with manure is that it has too much phosphorus, but the Malibu Compost that I bought wasn't high and I want to figure out how they did it. Here is what I know about Phosphorus and this statement matches my soil tests.
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These excesses of phosphorus have several undesirable effects. It has been shown to interfere with a plant's absorption of iron, manganese and zinc, resulting in yellowing of leaves and poor health of the plant.
Most composter steer manure comes out at .5/.5/.5
Other manures will vary in npk and have higher values in different places. It's so low that is why I have to amend mine like you would super soil. I have to add bulb food and garden tone to be able to get a good yield at the end. I promise for at least steer manure is not high... I wish it was higher. Actually had to top dress with seabird quano just to add phos to it.



Like I said tho... it all depends on what kind you use...and what else you are adding to your mix. Mine is as basic as it gets.
 

ganga gurl420

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I wonder if other people had as hard of a time growing in it as I have. Again, I think that you just got lucky and found a good source of manure. I bet if you asked, they add something like comfrey or borage to their compost. They have to be adding in something(Fe, Mn, Zn) that binds phosphorus to where it is not available anymore and will not tie up the micros.
I have used two different farms...they clean out their barns and throw it in a pile. They dont add anything...I promise. I've watched them making fresh piles before... they go in and push it out of the barn then use a tractor and scoop it up and throw it in a pile and let it sit.
Like I said I know of many growers who use manure and it all has to be amended because it's so low.
 

ganga gurl420

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I do use compost and I've been trying to figure out why I keep having problems. I'm here to learn above all else. I think that you just got lucky and found someone that knows how to compost. I strongly disagree about all compost being the same in the end.
Some farms use high salt feeds or licks... otherwise they basically feed cows the same way.
Some places will have a high sodium content to the manure but that is truly the only difference. That is why I said you have to make sure it's super aged and left out uncovered so that the rain can wash any salts out. I don't think that I'm just lucky.... because several growers were using amended manure just like me. All have pretty much left the site now sadly but I know people like treeman and 757 were also using amended manure and put my plants to shame ( tho they had much longer seasons then I do)

Makes me sad you didnt have much luck
 

MustangStudFarm

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Thanks lol. The only reason there are so many weeds is I live in an illegal state and want the weeds to hide my boxes
I dont have any livestock no. I get it delivered from a local farmer. I got 5000 gallons delivered and composted for around $300 so you cant beat the price.
Most composter steer manure comes out at .5/.5/.5
Other manures will vary in npk and have higher values in different places. It's so low that is why I have to amend mine like you would super soil. I have to add bulb food and garden tone to be able to get a good yield at the end. I promise for at least steer manure is not high... I wish it was higher. Actually had to top dress with seabird quano just to add phos to it.



Like I said tho... it all depends on what kind you use...and what else you are adding to your mix. Mine is as basic as it gets.
I've been composting rabbit bedding and lawn clippings. I thought that I had a good system figure out, but I would always have some sort of issue and I was getting nowhere so I started testing my soil. My last soil test was promising because I just started using Big-6 which is a micronutrient booster and everything looked decent.
That is why I said you have to make sure it's super aged and left out uncovered so that the rain can wash any salts out.
This is probably the difference, most of the "compost" in Oklahoma is from a clean-up and it still smells like manure when they load it.
 

ganga gurl420

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Right, I'm looking at how much phosphorus rabbit manure has compared to cow.
I've heard a lot of people complain about having problems with rabbit compost. Not sure why....I've never used it myself. And yeah... black dirt should be composted a min of 2 yrs tho I prefer 5 to 10 yrs myself. That is where it's at! Lol
 

Redwood Ninja

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Too much manure does not lock out anything. That is what I grow in. 400 gallons of it for each plant. Infact a random seed fell from last harvest and sprouted in the box a few months ago. Didnt do anything to it, just let nature take its course. This was the resultsView attachment 4404068View attachment 4404069
And last yrs grow (I didnt do a on purpose grow this yr)
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Many many growers use manure instead of dirt for their soil and just amend with dry nutes the same as you would any super soil. After yrs of trying everything, this has the best results I've ever seen.

The proof is in the pudding. I'd say you know what your talking about. Hella nice plants
 

ganga gurl420

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This is it... How often can members on this forum find compost that is over 2-3yrs old? Dr. Steve Solomon and Dr. Faust said that it takes about 2yrs to get humic acid in compost and it comes from lignin(woody plant material).
I guess it depends on where you live. Most anywhere I have lived (even in cali) had dairy farms that sold black dirt. Real black dirt looks like dirt because it is composted. If people are selling anything else then you shouldn't buy from them.
 

MustangStudFarm

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I guess it depends on where you live. Most anywhere I have lived (even in cali) had dairy farms that sold black dirt. Real black dirt looks like dirt because it is composted. If people are selling anything else then you shouldn't buy from them.
I live in Oklahoma and I'm surrounded by cows, but it is very hard to find good compost here. I started to give up on buying compost but then I came across Malibu. Don't get me wrong, I started a worm bin about 22 months ago but I can still make out leaves in the mix... Good luck finding compost in Oklahoma that has been aged long enough. I don't know if this is a common problem??? I listened to a podcast with Dr. Faust of BioAg and he said that he will get local compost and he will compost it again. That sounds like my situation, buy compost just to compost it longer...
 

ganga gurl420

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I live in Oklahoma and I'm surrounded by cows, but it is very hard to find good compost here. I started to give up on buying compost but then I came across Malibu. Don't get me wrong, I started a worm bin about 22 months ago but I can still make out leaves in the mix... Good luck finding compost in Oklahoma that has been aged long enough. I don't know if this is a common problem??? I listened to a podcast with Dr. Faust of BioAg and he said that he will get local compost and he will compost it again. That sounds like my situation, buy compost just to compost it longer...
Some farmers are idiots. I had a farmer sell some to a friend that he swore was 5 yrs aged and when I looked at it it was fresh out the cows ass.
It's better to tell them you grow in it and it can burn your plants if fresh or look at the pile yourself.
 

waktoo

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I wish that someone would have told me to use TM-7 or Big-6 is all... The problem that I have with manure is that it has too much phosphorus, but the Malibu Compost that I bought wasn't high and I want to figure out how they did it. Here is what I know about Phosphorus and this statement matches my soil tests.
Copy&Paste:
These excesses of phosphorus have several undesirable effects. It has been shown to interfere with a plant's absorption of iron, manganese and zinc, resulting in yellowing of leaves and poor health of the plant.
Link to that copy/paste?
 

Northwood

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Nvm. I found it. Not a scientific publication...
Perhaps not, but I think he's right on this one. There have been literally hundreds of peer reviewed research papers published in recent decades that document the negative effects of phosphorus on the uptake of many micronutrients, as well as how manures and even excessive plant biomass (including compost) contributions can cause that excess. Here's just one example (full paper): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3355622/
 
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