Oxygen and CO2 Hash?

I didn't really know which section to put this thread in. I figured advanced hash techniques belonged in the advanced mj forum.

So, I was at the bar the other night, and I a friend of mine shows up with a buddy of his. We get to talking, and, as most stoners' conversations turn out, marijuana becomes the main topic, more specifically hash.
He ends up giving me a gram of hash that looks and smells like BHO, but is more solidified than any BHO I've seen. Goopy/slimey are the best ways to describe its texture. He said it was oxygen extracted hash. And man, was that damn good hash!
Well, I tried to do some research about the topic via google, and the best I got was either people saying that oxygen hash is just a loophole dispensaries came up with to get around BHO being illegal, and is really just BHO. Or, that oxygen hash is the best quality hash around, and only a select few people make it.
I don't really buy into either of those propositions, so I thought I'd ask my fellow stoners! What the fuck is this stuff? Has anyone heard of it, or is it really just BHO?

I've heard of supercritical Co2 extraction but I dont know anything about them.

mccumcumber said:

I didn't really know which section to put this thread in. I figured advanced hash techniques belonged in the advanced mj forum.

So, I was at the bar the other night, and I a friend of mine shows up with a buddy of his. We get to talking, and, as most stoners' conversations turn out, marijuana becomes the main topic, more specifically hash.
He ends up giving me a gram of hash that looks and smells like BHO, but is more solidified than any BHO I've seen. Goopy/slimey are the best ways to describe its texture. He said it was oxygen extracted hash. And man, was that damn good hash!
Well, I tried to do some research about the topic via google, and the best I got was either people saying that oxygen hash is just a loophole dispensaries came up with to get around BHO being illegal, and is really just BHO. Or, that oxygen hash is the best quality hash around, and only a select few people make it.
I don't really buy into either of those propositions, so I thought I'd ask my fellow stoners! What the fuck is this stuff? Has anyone heard of it, or is it really just BHO?

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Have heard of CO2 extraction, but hear it takes special equipment to make in a lab setting....never heard of oxygen oil....oxygen isn't a solvent, don't know how that would work?

All of your troubles solved..... Leaves no harmful biproducts... Enjoy ~!

[video=youtube;ZTa1PYzwpjI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTa1PYzwpjI[/video]

Sweet mattman...very slick!! How was the finished product? Was it damp when you were done, any drying needed?

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Co2 Forced (or super-critical) extraction takes a fair amount of lab equipment (some of which is very expensive). most of the time when a person dedicates that much money in a lab they produce things other than hash.... like MDPV, MDMA, Phenal-2-Methamphetamine....

heres a link on BDS plant extractions using Co2. if you can understand it them you can make it. im not going to guide anyone through organic chemistry
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT7344736

P.S: Dry ice extraction or 8 bag bubble hash is the best you get with out the use of solvents.

and one thing i forgot to meantion about Super-Critical extractions. when purified using proper equipment it can reach 70% THC and 25% CBD, meaning its 95% pure cannabinoids.

MomaPug said:

Sweet mattman...very slick!! How was the finished product? Was it damp when you were done, any drying needed?

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This isnt my video, so I cant take credit for it... but a few buddies of mine had some plant material left over and we made some.... We let it sit on the glass for an hour and then scraped it up and pressed it... Was the CLEANEST tasting/smelling hash i have ever had... absolutely no lab equipment required and biproducts are co2 and h20.... great stuff

ear wax is the product your talking about. its a combo using supercritical co2 and o2 compressed. there is only a select handful of people putting this product in the hands of dispenseries, thus your hands. ear wax is so potent, it full on melts away as oil, with no inherit taste bho is associated with. so if your interested in making the product for yourself, you gotta learn how to use co2 as a solvent, then get the equipment to do so. i have the 1st video on you tube showing co2 extraction on pot. check it out on youtube, 420 extraction honey oil co2. its not the greatest video, but you get the point.

well it requires some beefed up equipment, but nothin super fancy. check out my video on youtube" 420 honey oil extraction co2"

mattman said:

All of your troubles solved..... Leaves no harmful biproducts... Enjoy ~!

[video=youtube;ZTa1PYzwpjI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTa1PYzwpjI[/video]

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when i use dry ice, i put it through dynamic changes. it starts as a solid, becomes a subcritical liquid, then further heat and pressure becomes a supercritical fluid, then back to a solid as a snow, different from the starting material. the product yields real honey oil. not bsho, and far more effective than jacking off with dry ice. 420 honey oil extraction co2, youtube.

Could a hybridization of the 2 methods listed above be successful?

Say you used a piece of high pressure seamless schedule 80 steel pipe (12" diameter or under
to maintain a safe working pressure of 1800psi or more) that you packed part way (1/3-1/2)
full of trim (on top of a screen maybe) then topped with equal-double that volume in dry ice before capping and bringing to a pressure over 1100psi (using a nitrox/scuba tank and high pressure regulator). Then warm it up to/maintain a temperature over 90F (maybe using a water jacket and the heating element/thermostat from a hot water heater, they commonly go up to 125F or wrap in a couple/few hundred watts worth of heating tape and use a router control as a manual thermostat) I assume you might want to give it a while to steep, then slowly bleed off from the bottom of your steel pipe pressure vessel via a high pressure valve (while maintaining nitrox pressure and temp) Capture what comes out (maybe in a series of cascading "capture vessels" made out of 5 gallon buckets and PVC pipe or something)

It would be Kindof like an espresso machine

I bet there are some paintball enthusiasts out there that could fabricate an experimental/test version in relatively short time using many things they might already have on hand... Maybe a bulk fill/remote tank adapter and Nitrox tank with 1200 psi regulator (you could probably inline the whole thing using high pressure fittings).

Though the burst pressure of the pipe mentioned above is 6500psi or better (more than the
working pressure of a nitrox tank) I would still probably make provisions for a CO2 burst
disk (commonly 2500-3000psi I think) safety valve in the lid of your steel pipe pressure
vessel just in case things go wrong. (if the thing catastrophically failed while you are near
by I have a feeling it would at least cost you your hearing).

If everything is done right (using the appropriate pressure rated parts and procedure) the
steel pipe pressure vessel should actually be tougher than the aluminum liquid co2 tanks
commonly used and abused by paintballers..

It would actually be quite similar to the hybrid rocket made on that mythbusters TV show,
though operate at around 50% higher pressures.. Not much of a stretch really, I'm fairly sure they engineered in some broad margins for safety and I'm pretty sure they were still using sch 40 pipe. If kept to 8" diameter or under (seamless high pressure pipe) you could too while maintaining a 4500psi or higher burst pressure, still quite a bit higher than your safety burst disks.


8" pipe 4' long would have the (1/2 full, lightly packed) capacity of about a 5 gallon bucket..
A 6 incher the same length would hold about 3 gallons, that's still more than you could run through a bubble bag in a single pass (and it would have a working pressure rating exactly on par wit what we are doing)..
A 4 inch pipe (4 foot long) would hold about half that of a 6" and is probably more on par with what you would regularly be passing through your 5 gallon bubble bags.. It would also be overbuilt having a burst pressure over 6000psi (9k if you used sch 80, 14k for sch 160)..

Hell technically speaking Standard Wrought Steel sch 40 4" steel pipe (from the hardware store) has a burst pressure over 5000psi, being more than 4 times your working pressure it could be considered safe (I'd mark the seem and keep it pointed in the safest possible direction while under pressure, also mike the middle of the pipe directly over the seem before and after every usage and stop using it if things start to deform).

You could build it in an afternoon only having to stop at the paintball guy, hardware store. and wherever you get your dry ice. You could probably do it for under $500. (half that if you buy your nitrox tank and remote kit used) don't forget the extra CO2 burst disk and shutoff valve too (where the remote kit hose meets the gun adapter?) Tell the guy that's what it takes to make the deal happen and he'll probably throw it all in for free, otherwise offer him an extra $20. (The cheap stuff on ebay doesn't sell for much more).. Oh yeah, make sure any tank you buy is "in hydro" (means its up on its pressure testing) otherwise you can't get it filled..

You know if you used the remote kit the way it was designed to be (instead of taking it apart) you could probably make the thing 2 foot longer (increasing its capacity by 50%) before the thing became unmanageably long, and I'm sure the hose would fail before anything else (added safety measure) not to mention how nice quick connectors would be (getting fancy now)...

im now taking a look @ your schematics. my expirience is w out a pump capable of desired load, has to be gravity fed. i was unhappy w results when i added a second tank to the mix. when i combined the co-solvent, co2, and matrix the results were mo better so much that i ditched the second tank idea completely. now that im looking in to a pump that can pump @ 6,000psi, i may look into a second vessel again. all my extractions are done w me catching the extract in a glass flask. when i bumped up production, i had my first accident. it shot a glass jar from my hands and hit me in the forearm at near 1,200 psi. im lucky it didnt break on my arm. the frost bite and bruise i got were from a moments contact was about three weeks to heal and a gnarley scar to show for it. the whole time i said to myself, it really doesnt hurt this bad, but i did hurt a little. constant stinging sensation.

if your taking bkraz333 from youtube as an example, dont. He practices very unsafe methods that can kill you. His vessel uses steel that will leach into the extract. stainless is the only suitable material, serious.

what is you sugestion for caping both ends of the 8inch pressure pipe

Wrong. Although I have quite a bit of lab equipment, scfe can be done w very little lab equipment. Most growers have equipment already, but havent combined knowledges to make it happen. I do cosub2 extracts for about $20. Oxygen Ear wax is very exclusive. Very few people are doing it. That does take more precise measured amounts of o2 compressed:co2 so that it doesn't become an oxygen enriched thus explosive if to much o2 is added. Very few people do this and its a well kept secret.

Corbat420 said:

Co2 Forced (or super-critical) extraction takes a fair amount of lab equipment (some of which is very expensive). most of the time when a person dedicates that much money in a lab they produce things other than hash.... like MDPV, MDMA, Phenal-2-Methamphetamine....

heres a link on BDS plant extractions using Co2. if you can understand it them you can make it. im not going to guide anyone through organic chemistry
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT7344736

P.S: Dry ice extraction or 8 bag bubble hash is the best you get with out the use of solvents.

and one thing i forgot to meantion about Super-Critical extractions. when purified using proper equipment it can reach 70% THC and 25% CBD, meaning its 95% pure cannabinoids.

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My research suggests that it is relatively easy to do a CO2 subcritical or SCFE extraction, but not necessarly to produce a product superior to BHO, QWET, or QWISO. Producing a superior product is the only justification that I can see, for the added expense over using a Terpenator at about $0.038 per gram to process.

Here is a link to my thoughts on a DYI SCFE system, which continue to evolve as I research further. For instance, raising the temperature in the same vessel as the material to be extracted, exposes the material to the full extraction curve, as opposed to a specific pressure and temperature. http://skunkpharmresearch.com/affordable-diy-co2-extraction/

Another often overlooked point is how really poor a solvent CO2 actually is, from the standpoint of saturation, so it takes a lot of it and long extraction times. The commercial units that we are studying run about an 8 hour cycle and range from 5500 to 9500 psi, to produce a gorgeous product.

i have heard about liquid oxygen (LOX) extraction. similar to bho, but produces an amazing ear wax.
i have not seen any contraptions or instructions as this is probably a guarded secret.
most glassblowers have access to LOX as that is what we use to run our torches.

i have always wanted to try, but never had the balls to make a contraption to hook up to my lox tank and try it out. i even have the proper safty equip, facemask, gloves and aluminized kevlar jacket.
lox is very dangerous being cryogenic. i have seen lox leak out of the tank and it turns to gas pretty quickly. acts similar to butane. and i think it is pretty feasable to use it as a solvent. the danger part is if lox touches petrolium. so eveything has to be oil free stainless steel.

Any hydrocarbon mixed with liquid oxygen is potentially explosive. The terpenes, including the canabinoids are hydrocarbons, so I'm guessing the process must be sub critical, because at super critical pressures it ostensibly would be a bomb.

crazyjc69 said:

what is you sugestion for caping both ends of the 8inch pressure pipe

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weld a flange on each end, bolt on a blind, or a blind that has a 1" tap in it... put a 1" nipple valve plug and be done with it