Pandemic 2020

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Dr.Amber Trichome

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900 billion Covid stim package. That’s it?! The fucking Republican cheap bastards fuck us over once again. What a waste of time this deal was . That was proposed like 6 months ago. Now the dems are pushed into the corner and so many are going get fucked over by Republicans once again and not get enough to survive this Pandemic . The Republican party needs to be crushed and removed for good. Once and for all.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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900 billion Covid stim package. That’s it?! The fucking Republican cheap bastards fuck us over once again. What a waste of time this deal was . That was proposed like 6 months ago. Now the dems are pushed into the corner and so many are going get fucked over by Republicans once again and not get enough to survive this Pandemic . The Republican party needs to be crushed and removed for good. Once and for all.
Mitch said that lack of covid relief was killing the two senate seat chances in Georgia, he had to do something, not for you, for himself.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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There still isn’t a deal and time is running out.
Why should he care? He was elected for life recently by a big margin in his own state, they gained in the house and still have the senate. Shit even Trump came pretty close after a nightmare campaign and catching covid and looking like a bigger fool than ever. He has utter contempt for the stupid fucks he's conning and I don't blame him.

Seriously there are over 300,000 dead in America, gross incompetence, treason and an open attempt stealing the election by disenfranchising millions of voters BEFORE the election FFS and they could care less. They eagerly PARTICIPATED in it, the suppression of the mail in vote is a good example where they fucked themselves, Trump too, they didn't mail in their ballots because they thought Trump would fuck up the USPS, he tried and was partly succeeded. Many Trumpers showed up on election day, they were participants and that proves it. Other participants make death threats and run air condition guys off the road and point guns at their heads looking for "stolen" nonexistent ballots.

The structure of the democracy needs tweaking, it's not the country that's the problem, its half the population. Don't let this past election fool you, Trump was an extraordinarily bad candidate and would have won if he was only a slightly better asshole, in spite of covid and probably in spite of his lies. One side is wrong, there is no ambiguity at all, the constitution makes this clear along with the oath to protect and defend it. In fact it's so clear cut it is dangerous to those who are in the right, seldom are things so obvious, the nazis and the second world war is the only thing that comes to mind.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Paul Alexander is apparently a Canadian who helped commit mass murder in America. If he should ever come back here I want him arrested and sent to the Hague, provided Uncle Sam doesn't want his ass first, then it will be handed over on a silver platter. Most Canadians try to help save American lives, this one kills them. Perhaps you should ask your politicians how come a foreigner is mass murdering Americans? We call this kind of stuff crimes against humanity or at least adding and abetting it.
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'We want them infected,' Trump HHS appointee said in email pushing to expose infants, kids and teens to Covid (cnbc.com)

HEALTH AND SCIENCE
‘We want them infected,’ Trump HHS appointee said in email pushing to expose infants, kids and teens to Covid to reach ‘herd immunity’

KEY POINTS
  • A Trump Health and Human Services Department appointee repeatedly discussed pursuing a so-called herd immunity approach to the Covid-19 outbreak this summer, new emails obtained by a House subcommittee show.
  • Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., chairman of the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, which obtained the emails, said the documents demonstrate “a pernicious pattern” of political interference.
  • Ousted HHS scientific advisor Paul Alexander, who was brought in by longtime Trump ally Michael Caputo, sent the emails around to other HHS officials.
A Trump appointee at the Department of Health and Human Services repeatedly pushed this summer to adopt a Covid-19 strategy in the U.S. that would keep businesses open while exposing “infants, kids, teens” and others to the coronavirus in an attempt to achieve so-called herd immunity, according to emails obtained by House lawmakers.

Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., chairman of the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, which obtained the emails, said Wednesday the documents demonstrate “a pernicious pattern of political interference by Administration officials.”

The emails surfaced as part of an investigation by the House coronavirus subcommittee into alleged political interference by the Trump administration. The probe came about after former HHS scientific advisor Paul Alexander and longtime Trump ally Michael Caputo were accused this summer of meddling with the work of career scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease specialist.

Alexander was ousted when Caputo, assistant secretary for public affairs, departed HHS on medical leave in September.

HHS Secretary Alex Azar has denied in congressional testimony the allegations of political interference in his department.

Alexander wrote in a July 4 email to Caputo and six other HHS communications officials that the U.S. needed to establish herd immunity by allowing “non-high risk groups expose themselves to the virus.

“Infants, kids, teens, young people, young adults, middle aged with no conditions etc. have zero to little risk....so we use them to develop herd...we want them infected....and recovered...with antibodies,” he wrote.

Alexander later brought the proposed strategy to Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn, another email shows.

“It may be that it will be best if we open up and flood the zone and let the kids and young folk get infected as we acutely lock down the elderely and at risk folks” to get to “natural immunity…natural exposure,” he wrote on July 24 to Hahn, Caputo and other HHS officials. Caputo asked Alexander to look further into the idea, further emails show.

Caputo, who recruited Alexander, left HHS for a 60-day medical leave in September after he said in a video posted on his personal Facebook page that scientists at the CDC were engaged in “sedition” against Trump. Alexander’s departure was disclosed in the announcement of Caputo’s medical leave.

“His emails absolutely did not shape department strategy,” an HHS spokesperson said Wednesday. “Dr. Paul Alexander previously served as a temporary Senior Policy Advisor to the Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs and is no longer employed at the Department.“

The new emails present a striking look into Caputo and Alexander’s attempts to downplay the pandemic as the coronavirus spread rapidly across the country, especially the Sun Belt, and the death toll rose.

“As the virus spread through the country, these officials callously wrote, ‘who cares’ and ‘we want them infected,‘” Clyburn said in a statement. “They privately admitted they ‘always knew’ the President’s policies would cause a ‘rise’ in cases, and they plotted to blame the spread of the virus on career scientists.”

On June 24, amid the post-Memorial Day surge in cases, Alexander wrote to Caputo and two other HHS officials, “we always knew as you relax and open up, cases will rise.” He then questioned, “but are the new cases problematic???”

“We need also to tout the good stories as we know of elderly with serious conditions who get it and survive…this is key to tell,” he added.

Throughout the emails, Alexander heavily criticized top government scientific advisors, including Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. In a July 3 email to Caputo and other HHS communications officials when U.S. cases stood at just under 2.8 million, Alexander lamented that Fauci warned the public to “expect a dramatic increase in spread.”

“He just wont stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He cant keep quiet….and he is not on the same page of the govn….does he think he is the President???” Alexander added.

More than 16.7 million people in the U.S. have been diagnosed with Covid-19 so far and more than 306,000 people have died in less than a year, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I seen on Chris Hayes tonight that the new target of the domestic disinformation network is now vaccines and they are starting to pump up the antivaxer message. Considering who their audience is many won't consider this a bad thing at all, the less morons the better. This overlooks a few facts however, the objective is herd immunity and vaccinations won't work for everybody, there will still be vulnerable people around, but there will be antibody therapeutics, provided you get them early. It will also make it harder to wipe out the pandemic and will lengthen the strain on the medical system and cost. Then there are the costs when they start chopping off limbs and dealing with the long term effects of maiming.

If they follow through with this antivaccer message, it will be another bitter lesson for America. Unless you win the senate, you won't stop it either unless the DOJ indicts them for manslaughter. The republicans will call it censorship and scream 1st amendment, just like guns, just like masks, FREEDOM! Most everybody will be vaccinated including the ones sending out the antivaccer, Qanon and Trumpism propaganda disinformation to the suckers and losers. Also small groups of antivaccers are coordinating tiny protests at hospitals with slick expensive signs financed by someone, they are trying to make a big splash on local news and the pretty faces with empty heads who do local news wanna hear both sides of the story and are more interested in how people "feel" about things than science, hey it's content and they have time slots to fill.

Their content is once again in lock step with Russian disinformation, perhaps it's just cheaper to let Vlad's guys write the content for them..

Opinion: With vaccine rollout comes onslaught of disinformation - CNN

With vaccine rollout comes onslaught of disinformation

(CNN)The rollout of the Pfizer vaccine is welcome news for this country. But as states gear up for a vaccination roll out of epic proportions and Americans start receiving their first doses, they will need to be on heightened alert for Russian disinformation attacks. Based on the country's long history of health-related disinformation and their more recent operations surrounding the virus, Vladimir Putin likely sees this period as a moment of opportunity to hurt the US further.

Health crises -- including global ones -- have long been weaponized by the Kremlin.
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TacoMac

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900 billion Covid stim package. That’s it?! The fucking Republican cheap bastards fuck us over once again. What a waste of time this deal was . That was proposed like 6 months ago. Now the dems are pushed into the corner and so many are going get fucked over by Republicans once again and not get enough to survive this Pandemic . The Republican party needs to be crushed and removed for good. Once and for all.
And once again most of it is for businesses, not people.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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DIY-HP-LED

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Corporatism .The frontline workers and healthcare providers will get nothing. The forgotten hero’s. There was once talk of giving us a nice $5,000 for our service during the pandemic for risking our lives but that never came to fruition.

It’s so obviously a sock.
The base only sees in black and white, if they don't care about their country or their neighbors enough to wear a mask they don't care a rat's ass for you or anybody else who is standing tall in the face of danger. They don't care about bounties on US troops lives FFS, and they would gladly chant let em die, about you at a rally. Fucking you and even themselves is not even a question worth asking them, you've already seen their answer.

The greedy are using idiots to stop social and policy change for two reasons, they don't want to pay taxes and they want "freedom" from the law and any sense of fairness or social justice. Owning and using morons to fuck themselves and everybody else is a very old game of divide and conquer. Mitch plays it by the traditional rules, but they are not working too well in recent years. They have recently discovered Donald's way is better, including getting help from the Russians when they can. That's why their messaging is so close to Russian disinformation, in fact it is often the same, it's free advertising and support. The fact that Russia just did a pearl harbor attack on America that crippled it for months and even years makes no difference to them, Donald has said nothing, just like with the Russian bounties on US troops. They won't lose a single vote over it and since the recent election they now know it. Don't let the flag waving and flag apparel fool you.
 
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Dr.Amber Trichome

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The base only sees in black and white, if they don't care about their country or their neighbors enough to wear a mask they don't care a rat's ass for you or anybody else who is standing tall in the face of danger. They don't care about bounties on US troops lives FFS, and they would gladly chant let em die, about you at a rally. Fucking you and even themselves is not even a question worth asking them, you've already seen their answer.

The greedy are using idiots to stop social and policy change for two reasons, they don't want to pay taxes and they want "freedom" from the law and any sense of fairness or social justice. Owning and using morons to fuck themselves and everybody else is a very old game of divide and conquer. Mitch plays it by the traditional rules, but they are not working too well in recent years. They have recently discovered Donald's way is better, including getting help from the Russians when they can. That's why their messaging is so close to Russian disinformation, in fact it is often the same, it's free advertising and support. The fact that Russia just did a pearl harbor attack on America that crippled it for months and even years makes no difference to them, Donald has said nothing, just like with the Russian bounties on US troops. They won't lose a single vote over it and since the recent election they now know it. Don't let the flag waving and flag apparel fool you.
What if I get 3 doses of the vaccine? One from Pfizer and 2 from moderna?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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What if I get 3 doses of the vaccine? One from Pfizer and 2 from moderna?
Christ only knows, but I doubt you'll grow a set of horns, that question might be best directed to your doctor. I understand you get quite a bit of immunity 10 days after the first shot of either, but a second one is require to put the cap on it and perhaps make it last longer. We don't know a lot about this stuff yet and will only know how long the vaccine lasts when people experience it. If you are going right into another healthcare job, you should be first in line, provided you are in contact with patients, even admitting them. It could be a tough call for you and depends on when they roll it out at your hospital, so look for a guy with a cooler!
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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Christ only knows, but I doubt you'll grow a set of horns, that question might be best directed to your doctor. I understand you get quite a bit of immunity 10 days after the first shot of either, but a second one is require to put the cap on it and perhaps make it last longer. We don't know a lot about this stuff yet and will only know how long the vaccine lasts when people experience it. If you are going right into another healthcare job, you should be first in line, provided you are in contact with patients, even admitting them. It could be a tough call for you and depends on when they roll it out at your hospital, so look for a guy with a cooler!
My doctor wouldn’t know! No one knows. The experiment has never taken place . I would be a guinea pig . and the way I figure I would get triple the protection. So why not.
 
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