Pandemic 2020

Budzbuddha said:

How are these governors not able to be arrested ( derelict of duty or injury to others ) some fucking thing … I cannot wrap my head around the cavalier attitude, i mean they arrest individuals that start fires , steal a fucking six pack and you are in a police car.

He will be and is responsible for all the results - the deaths … the irresponsibility. There should be a wave of litigation from families that have to weather the cost of their health and deaths.

Am i missing something ? …. They smile and gloat.

I will put this way , if this was a century ago , i would be a wanted man for multiple killings.

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They are required to govern us, not to protect us. Sad but true.

injinji said:

They are required to govern us, not to protect us. Sad but true.

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i think by this point the vaxxers/maskers are gonna do what's in their best interest and vice versa.

Even Libertarians Aren’t Buying The ‘Freedom To Be Unvaccinated’ Argument

While the right loves to cry freedom and 'personal choice' over masks and vaccines, many actual libertarian legal scholars support vaccine mandates.

If you are prolife, pro masks and pro vaccine, you'd better start showing up at local school board and council meetings, and be prepared to square off against possibly violent pro covid death cultist and antivaxxers. All politics is local and if you don't want you and your family ruled over by a minority of lunatics, you'd better get politically active, because they are, and are ruling disastrously in America. Death threats against public health and local election officials is causing mass resignations across the country. Nurses and other medical professionals are quitting in droves over frustration, exhaustion and burnout, causing major staffing issues at hospitals, especially in poorly managed red states.

Yeah, it was the antivaxxers who caused the violence and did the stabbing, looks like some proud boys types were part of it too, the usual suspects.
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Here is some of the bullshit I got going on in my neck of the woods …..
Fucking proud boys and other anti vax / anti gov attacking people and journalists. Cops did nothing.

Budzbuddha said:

Here is some of the bullshit I got going on in my neck of the woods …..
Fucking proud boys and other anti vax / anti gov attacking people and journalists. Cops did nothing.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1426659835102121986

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The bit where the cops just walked past the Proud Boys and faced the counter demonstrators is exactly what went down in Portland too. The white terrorists were openly beating and kicking a man while he was down. The police just looked the other way.

There aren't that many of them. A few hundred at most. Nonviolent but large crowds blocking them from waving their fascist regalia is the only way to stop them. Show up in numbers and they will go away.

It's not a solution. It's just a holding pattern until the militarized police force that has been infiltrated with white terrorists has been muzzled.

Seems the cops have more radicalized personnel in their ranks than most think.

Fogdog said:

The bit where the cops just walked past the Proud Boys and faced the counter demonstrators is exactly what went down in Portland too. The white terrorists were openly beating and kicking a man while he was down. The police just looked the other way.

There aren't that many of them. A few hundred at most. Nonviolent but large crowds blocking them from waving their fascist regalia is the only way to stop them. Show up in numbers and they will go away.

It's not a solution. It's just a holding pattern until the militarized police force that has been infiltrated with white terrorists has been muzzled.

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This complicit behavior out in the open troubles me. It means that the rot goes all the way up.
I have no idea how to address such a serious and ingrained problem.

I have two thoughts though.
First is to establish a commission that will investigate police departments from the top down. It will probably take a decade-plus, but I imagine thousands of criminal referrals. The commission needs to have teeth and the assurance of long/term operation,

Also, a recording mandate, audio and video for every officer not behind a desk. FBI, ATF, nobody slips through. Interfere with your recorder or data, IMMEDIATE termination and likely felony charges that mean years in prison.
Which brings me to want the same constraints on correctional staff. Guards get away with bad things daily.
Some smart softwear will be needed when someone on duty needs to go to the restroom. Dont give that control to the officer.

My 2¢

CatHedral said:

This complicit behavior out in the open troubles me. It means that the rot goes all the way up.
I have no idea how to address such a serious and ingrained problem.

I have two thoughts though.
First is to establish a commission that will investigate police departments from the top down. It will probably take a decade-plus, but I imagine thousands of criminal referrals. The commission needs to have teeth and the assurance of long/term operation,

Also, a recording mandate, audio and video for every officer not behind a desk. FBI, ATF, nobody slips through. Interfere with your recorder or data, IMMEDIATE termination and likely felony charges that mean years in prison.
Which brings me to want the same constraints on correctional staff. Guards get away with bad things daily.
Some smart softwear will be needed when someone on duty needs to go to the restroom. Dont give that control to the officer.

My 2¢

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So something like the Republicans wanted to be included with the Jan 6 commission. Why the other civil disturbances took place?

CatHedral said:

This complicit behavior out in the open troubles me. It means that the rot goes all the way up.
I have no idea how to address such a serious and ingrained problem.

I have two thoughts though.
First is to establish a commission that will investigate police departments from the top down. It will probably take a decade-plus, but I imagine thousands of criminal referrals. The commission needs to have teeth and the assurance of long/term operation,

Also, a recording mandate, audio and video for every officer not behind a desk. FBI, ATF, nobody slips through. Interfere with your recorder or data, IMMEDIATE termination and likely felony charges that mean years in prison.
Which brings me to want the same constraints on correctional staff. Guards get away with bad things daily.
Some smart softwear will be needed when someone on duty needs to go to the restroom. Dont give that control to the officer.

My 2¢

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We don't need to have so many armed police officers. Something like 90% of police interactions with the public does not require an armed officer. A Dallas, Texas police chief said as much after a sniper took down some officers in 2016.

Dallas police chief says ‘we’re asking cops to do too much in this country’

“We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Brown said at a briefing Monday. “We are. Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it. … Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops. … That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”

I see a solution that does not require a second police state to monitor the first one -- offload the work to people who aren't police officers and cut police staffing accordingly. We've shown it can work. Eugene, Oregon has shown how:


CASE STUDY: CAHOOTS
Eugene, Oregon

After years of working with police in Eugene, White Bird expanded CAHOOTS services to the neighboring community of Springfield in 2015, when Lane County administered an Oregon Health and Human Services grant for the program.6 Between Eugene and Springfield, CAHOOTS is now funded at around $2 million annually—about 2 percent of their police departments’ budgets.7

Dispatching CAHOOTS for ‘better customer service’
A key element of White Bird’s partnership with police is that CAHOOTS staff carry a police radio that emergency dispatchers use to request their response to people in crisis on a special channel. The channel can get “overwhelmed,” Eugene officer Bo Rankin explained, by the increasing number of requests for CAHOOTS teams.8 Of the estimated 24,000 calls CAHOOTS responded to in 2019, only 311 required police backup, and in Eugene, CAHOOTS teams resolved almost 20 percent of all calls coming through the city’s public safety communications center.9


If we cut the staff of existing police officers by a large number, something like 70-90% reduction in staffing, oversight of the remaining force becomes a much less thorny problem.

best solution is to simply kill all cops.

Texas Supreme Court backs governor on mask mandates
The Texas Supreme Court on Sunday sided with Gov. Greg Abbott by issuing temporary stay orders on the subject of mask mandates in public schools.

The orders were in cases from Dallas County and Bexar County, where San Antonio is located. Both counties had tried to defy an executive order from Abbott by mandating masks for children in their schools. Other counties in Texas have also attempted to implement mandates in defiance of Abbott.

The temporary orders stop the two counties from imposing those requirements until the courts can sort the matter out.
The state’s 4th Court of Appeals in San Antonio and the 5th Court of Appeals in Dallas last week tossed out the prohibitions against mask mandates, making it possible for the districts to impose requirements. On Friday, state Attorney General Ken Paxton tweeted that the state was appealing those rulings. “The rule of law will decide,” he tweeted.

“The ban doesn’t prohibit using masks,” Abbott wrote on Twitter after Sunday’s ruling. “Anyone who wants to wear a mask can do so, including in schools.”

Texas supreme court, the same ones that said, "yeah...you guys are racial gerrymandering as fk" and then somehow a year later said, "oh ok jk lol nvm".

DeSantis' plan working fine.

Budzbuddha said:

Seems the cops have more radicalized personnel in their ranks than most think.

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Yep, too many "proud boys" in law enforcement, military, secret service. It's past time to clean house. We need squads of "untouchables."

injinji said:

They are required to govern us, not to protect us. Sad but true.

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That is the number one job of government, risk management. The true role of government it to protect the state and the people from harm so they can go on living their lives and in return they pay taxes. A pandemic is a risk to society, look at the costs we have had to suffer. Any elected official that does not look out for their constituents is not doing their job.

Texas school district strikes back at governor by saying masks are part of dress code

“The Texas Governor does not have the authority to usurp the Board of Trustees’ exclusive power and duty to govern and oversee the management of the public schools of the district,” a statement from the Paris Independent School District read.

But the Paris Independent School District found a way around the governor’s measure, amending its dress code to read: “For health reasons, masks are required for all employees and students to mitigate flu, cold, pandemic, and any other communicable diseases," The Paris News reported.

“The Board believes the dress code can be used to mitigate communicable health issues, and therefore has amended the PISD dress code to protect our students and employees,” according to a statement from the district.

“The Texas Governor does not have the authority to usurp the Board of Trustees’ exclusive power and duty to govern and oversee the management of the public schools of the district,” the statement continued.

Alabama has more intensive care patients than ICU beds, official says
Alabama Hospital Association President Don Williamson told an NBC News affiliate station in Montgomery on Tuesday that the state hospital system is facing a “negative” number of available ICU beds.

“We’ve never been here before. We are in truly now in uncharted territory in terms of our ICU bed capacity,” Williamson said.

Hospitals in the southern part of the country are dealing with a surge in COVID-19 cases as the highly contagious delta variant drives infections. Williamson acknowledged the current strain on Alabama hospitals, noting that ICUs across the state have reached capacity.

“There were 1,568 patients today who need ICU beds, and there are only 1,557 designated ICU beds in the state today,” Williamson told WFSA. “In the Montgomery area, we have eight more patients who are getting ICU care than we have designated ICU beds here.”

Despite the lack of ICU beds, Williamson said that patients who need ICU care are still receiving treatment.

“Individuals who end up in the hospital will be taken care of, let me be very clear on that,” Williamson said, adding that some patients are being placed in other areas of hospitals if their ICUs are full.

More than 2,700 people were hospitalized in Alabama on Tuesday, including 40 children, the tv station noted.

In Arkansas, Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R) announced last week that the state only had eight ICU beds remaining as coronavirus cases surged. At the time, Hutchinson urged state residents to get vaccinated in order to stop the spread of COVID-19.

“Vaccinations reduce hospitalizations,” he wrote on Twitter.

Florida official asks Gov DeSantis to declare state of emergency
Agriculture commissioner Nikki Fried said the state needs an influx of resources to combat the rampant virus spread.

On Monday, Florida’s Commissioner of Agriculture and Consumer Services and gubernatorial contender Nikki Fried (D) called on incumbent Governor Ron DeSantis (R) to declare a state of emergency as COVID-19 cases continue to rise ahead of school reopenings.

“It is time that we issue a state of emergency. Our hospitals need this, our medical providers, our resources for our locals. It is past time,” Fried said, citing hospitalizations across the state crossing 15,000 and adding that 91 percent of all hospital beds are occupied - half by COVID-19 patients.

National data aggregated by The New York Times depicts the outbreak hitting Florida particularly hard during the most recent wave of the pandemic. Over the past two weeks, the state reported an 88 percent in new cases, bringing the total number of COVID-19 infections to over 2.9 million.

Hospitalizations have risen by 53 percent and fatalities by 191 percent -the most dramatic uptick in all health indicators that Florida has seen since the onset of the pandemic.

Fried blamed the worsening outbreak on the “irresponsible policies” of DeSantis and state education commissioner Richard Corcoran, who have not implemented a statewide mask mandate for children as they return to in-person schooling.

“There are federal resources that we can’t access without a state of emergency being declared, like assistance with FEMA and the National Guard,” Fried explained. “There is no excuse not to ask for all the help we can get.”

In a statement sent to The Hill, DeSantis's office noted that "Governor DeSantis only declares states of emergency if doing so would result in concrete benefits for Floridians that could not be accomplished with available resources. Nikki Fried and other Democratic politicians often call for a 'state of emergency' without explaining what, exactly, they believe it would accomplish in terms of public health outcomes."