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Dr.Amber Trichome

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I done a lot of camping and hiking in the area but I don't think I've done that trail yet. Thanks for the tip. The whole area is amazing.
One more I have to mention is a Must just in case you haven’t done it either. It’s up the coast quite a bit from the other one. It’s
Cascade Head Trail , Nature Preserve in Tillamook County. Here is a picture of the view.
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Moflow

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I'm bringing the exercise bike out of the basement and I'm buying a new regular one and plan on being on it as much as possible. I've got arthritis in the right foot pretty bad and it makes distance walking painful, but more after the fact than while walking. I've been hunkered down since last spring doing the pandemic thing, but apparently I'm eligible for the shot on the 12th of this month. I'm doing some lifestyle changes now and hope to be out and about a lot more this summer. It's time to do some flying and I haven't been flying for awhile, when ya crash ya gotta do the "walk of shame", so there's exercise involved in that too!

Good to hear you are getting the shot soon. I got the astrazeneca 1st dose 8th March, awaiting a call for second one.
My missus gets her second one next week. Hurrah!
The only places open here are the supermarkets and grocery stores who are raking the money in.
We are the only part of the UK that still hasn't produced a roadmap outta this disaster yet.
 

schuylaar

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Sorry too, for breaking it to you, you’re not helping anyone with not getting vaccinated while you can. You declining doesn’t change the schedule or make someone else move up in the line. It does cause extra work having to call you again, and again, time that could have been spent on saving someone else. Meanwhile it will take longer for you to be vaccinated and protected, risking extra pressure and more work for healthcare pros. Getting yourself vaccinated isn’t just for you, it’s also to protect others. Want to stand up for a cause, get your ass vaccinated asap.
thank you for your post.

you put a lot of stock into Americans..are you aware of the anti-vacc polulace here in the states? no? Google is your friend before you need to 'break it to me'..as for saving lives? it's my Primary's office; there's no life saving there..the message says 'if you are having an emergency hang up and dial 911' emergencies aren't handled in the states by doctors offices you go to the hospital where they are bound to treat and stabilize you (by law regardless of ability to pay) for 72-hours..every market and drug store here has vaccines..we are overrun with places to go..they can't give 'em away.

ummmmmmm you know..wearing a mask can do more than a vaccine? fact.

i have a bit of an immunity issue right now and i'm going to advocate for myself..not too long ago a doctor suggested a beta-blocker for a certain ailment (not heart) until i reminded HIM that i have asthma..he looked into his computer and said 'oh yeahhhhhh, that wouldn't work'. like it was a joke. FYI beta blockers can cause death in asthmatics.

i didn't think it was funny.

PS within the next few weeks ALL Americans 16+ will be able to get a shot if they wish because not enough people are and with expirations they are now forced to offer..my job is now done. see?
 
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Sativied

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thank you for your post.

you put a lot of stock into Americans..are you aware of the anti-vacc polulace here in the states? no? Google is your friend before you need to 'break it to me'..as for saving lives? it's my Primary's office; there's no life saving there..the message says 'if you are having an emergency hang up and dial 911' emergencies aren't handled in the states by doctors offices you go to the hospital where they are bound to treat and stabilize you (by law regardless of ability to pay) for 72-hours..every market and drug store here has vaccines..we are overrun with places to go..they can't give 'em away.

ummmmmmm you know..wearing a mask can do more than a vaccine? fact.

i have a bit of an immunity issue right now and i'm going to advocate for myself..not too long ago a doctor suggested a beta-blocker for a certain ailment (not heart) until i reminded HIM that i have asthma..he looked into his computer and said 'oh yeahhhhhh, that wouldn't work'. like it was a joke. FYI beta blockers can cause death in asthmatics.

i didn't think it was funny.

PS within the next few weeks ALL Americans 16+ will be able to get a shot if they wish because not enough people are and with expirations they are now forced to offer..my job is now done. see?
“you put a lot of stock into Americans”
More so in some than others. :)

The narrator post was just a joke from one of my many online personas, I meant no offense. I use salbutamol and fluticasone propionate daily, so this post is from one asthmatic to another.

Nothing of what you said can sensibly lead to the conclusion you should delay your vaccination even longer. On the contrary. Since you have plenty to go around, and “your job is done”, and you have a bit of an immune issue, and there are many anti-vaxxers, and you’re asthmatic, you should get your ass vaccinated asap.

There are anti-vaxxers everywhere, it’s not a US thing. The percentage of the population that is willing to get a vaccine in the US is very similar to other countries, and is barely enough to reach herd immunity. That’s only more reason to get vaccinated.

Wearing a mask is in no way a substitute for a vaccine. Stay healthy and good luck with your decision.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I think I'll depend more on the vaccine, than catching the cold to prevent covid! Perhaps a possible alternative for the Trumpers and anti vaccers! :lol:

Covid was an insidious disease, bad, but not bad enough to cause the social changes required to control it.

If the mortality rate was a few percent higher and the virus as contagious as it is now, we would be in a completely different situation, anti mask and anti lock down rallies would be broken up with flamethrowers and any survivors would be behind razor wire, as would anybody breaking lockdown or not wearing a mask. That would apply to all western countries, not just the USA and there would be mandatory vaccinations too, they would simple grab those who refused, vaccinate them and intern them until the second dose was administered. This is how societies and people work, it's not even my opinion, but a fact like gravity.
 

schuylaar

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“you put a lot of stock into Americans”
More so in some than others. :)

The narrator post was just a joke from one of my many online personas, I meant no offense. I use salbutamol and fluticasone propionate daily, so this post is from one asthmatic to another.

Nothing of what you said can sensibly lead to the conclusion you should delay your vaccination even longer. On the contrary. Since you have plenty to go around, and “your job is done”, and you have a bit of an immune issue, and there are many anti-vaxxers, and you’re asthmatic, you should get your ass vaccinated asap.

There are anti-vaxxers everywhere, it’s not a US thing. The percentage of the population that is willing to get a vaccine in the US is very similar to other countries, and is barely enough to reach herd immunity. That’s only more reason to get vaccinated.

Wearing a mask is in no way a substitute for a vaccine. Stay healthy and good luck with your decision.
first, i'm getting the vaccine..second if i listened to every doctor, I'd have been committed by now or dead (because they've made mistakes that i caught)..but they can do that anymore- there's something called HIPAA. I wear my mask and social distance wish i could say the same about others- such a small thing to put on a mask..men and women possess different sensibilities and we are the ones charged with child birth. men? not so much with their single thought at a time mindset.


gavel-to-gavel coverage has resumed on HLN.
 

CCGNZ

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first, i'm getting the vaccine..second if i listened to every doctor, I'd have been committed by now or dead (because they've made mistakes that i caught)..but they can do that anymore- there's something called HIPAA. I wear my mask and social distance wish i could say the same about others- such a small thing to put on a mask..men and women possess different sensibilities and we are the ones charged with child birth. men? not so much with their single thought at a time mindset.


gavel-to-gavel coverage has resumed on HLN.
I've alway's seen woman as able to carry a heavier burden and keep things together than men are,no argument from me, also been amazed at how some mothers can juggle a overwhelming amount of things to do day in and day out without complaining, all you need now is to be able to kick our asses and you could reduce us to drone bees.LOLccguns
 

schuylaar

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I've alway's seen woman as able to carry a heavier burden and keep things together than men are,no argument from me, also been amazed at how some mothers can juggle a overwhelming amount of things to do day in and day out without complaining, all you need now is to be able to kick our asses and you could reduce us to drone bees.LOLccguns
hard to be all that when you're a hysterical female:wink:
 

CCGNZ

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I think I'll depend more on the vaccine, than catching the cold to prevent covid! Perhaps a possible alternative for the Trumpers and anti vaccers! :lol:

Covid was an insidious disease, bad, but not bad enough to cause the social changes required to control it.

If the mortality rate was a few percent higher and the virus as contagious as it is now, we would be in a completely different situation, anti mask and anti lock down rallies would be broken up with flamethrowers and any survivors would be behind razor wire, as would anybody breaking lockdown or not wearing a mask. That would apply to all western countries, not just the USA and there would be mandatory vaccinations too, they would simple grab those who refused, vaccinate them and intern them until the second dose was administered. This is how societies and people work, it's not even my opinion, but a fact like gravity.
Yeah, they really missed the ball on the mutation predictions, I remember "experts saying that they predicted years for Covid mutations to take place WRONG, just likr they were on the original masking policy, remember healthy individuals only needed to maintain social distancing, also quite mistaken on the surface contamination thing(though it is probable that it stopped flu season in its tracks), as covid transmission is probably at least 90% aerosol spread.ccguns
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Yeah, they really missed the ball on the mutation predictions, I remember "experts saying that they predicted years for Covid mutations to take place WRONG, just likr they were on the original masking policy, remember healthy individuals only needed to maintain social distancing, also quite mistaken on the surface contamination thing(though it is probable that it stopped flu season in its tracks), as covid transmission is probably at least 90% aerosol spread.ccguns
Covid has a very low mutation rate compared to other viruses, it was the sheer number of cases and increased possibility for mutation. I dunno about the years part, everybody knew it could mutate. As for masks, they were discouraging them because there was a severe supply shortage for hospitals, people had to reuse PPE until recently, once the mask supply became more stable, they first recommended DIY masks and then as supplies became available, surgical ones. In Canada they have been recommending n-95s now that supply issues are resolved and the variants are on the loose. There are a lot of fake n95 and KN95 masks out there so ya gotta be carful.

The only thing that appears to be mutating with covid19 are the spike proteins that infect cells, the most infectious winning the evolutionary race. I believe these approved vaccines are effective against all strains, some more than others, but they prevent hospitalizations and deaths, probably most of the maiming too. Future vaccine booster shots will be modified to deal with variants too.
 

Fogdog

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The fear of vaccinated people contracting and testing positive for the virus appears to be overblown:

.01% of fully vaccinated people in Washington state test positive for COVID-19
Among the more than 1 million Washingtonians who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, 102 people have tested positive for COVID-19 more than two weeks after their vaccinations, the state Department of Health said Tuesday.

Those cases include eight people who have been hospitalized. Two deaths are also being investigated as possible “vaccine breakthrough” cases, the department said.

The vaccine breakthrough cases, which the department says are expected with any vaccine, represent .01% of the people who have been fully vaccinated and were tallied since Feb. 1, says a DOH news release issued Tuesday.

Clinical trials have shown COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of contracting the coronavirus by up to 95%, but a small percentage of fully vaccinated people can still be expected to get it, the release says.

Clinical trials have shown COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of contracting the coronavirus by up to 95%, but a small percentage of fully vaccinated people can still be expected to get it, the release says.

Breakthrough cases have been identified in 18 counties. Most of the people with confirmed vaccine breakthrough experienced only mild symptoms, if any, according to DOH. The two patients who died were both older than 80 and had underlying heath conditions.



Can somebody explain the apparent contradiction?

COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of contracting the coronavirus by 90 - 95%. BUT only 0.01% of people who are fully vaccinated test positive for Covid-19.

Does anybody understand how both of those statement can be true?
 

Dryxi

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The fear of vaccinated people contracting and testing positive for the virus appears to be overblown:

.01% of fully vaccinated people in Washington state test positive for COVID-19
Among the more than 1 million Washingtonians who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, 102 people have tested positive for COVID-19 more than two weeks after their vaccinations, the state Department of Health said Tuesday.

Those cases include eight people who have been hospitalized. Two deaths are also being investigated as possible “vaccine breakthrough” cases, the department said.

The vaccine breakthrough cases, which the department says are expected with any vaccine, represent .01% of the people who have been fully vaccinated and were tallied since Feb. 1, says a DOH news release issued Tuesday.

Clinical trials have shown COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of contracting the coronavirus by up to 95%, but a small percentage of fully vaccinated people can still be expected to get it, the release says.

Clinical trials have shown COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of contracting the coronavirus by up to 95%, but a small percentage of fully vaccinated people can still be expected to get it, the release says.

Breakthrough cases have been identified in 18 counties. Most of the people with confirmed vaccine breakthrough experienced only mild symptoms, if any, according to DOH. The two patients who died were both older than 80 and had underlying heath conditions.



Can somebody explain the apparent contradiction?

COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of contracting the coronavirus by 90 - 95%. BUT only 0.01% of people who are fully vaccinated test positive for Covid-19.

Does anybody understand how both of those statement can be true?
The results do not come from them actively searching for and testing people who are fully vaccinated, only tells of the people who felt the need to get tested after being fully vaccinated. I am sure of the 1 million people who are fully vaccinated, not all of them are going to get covid tested if they feel some type of way (most likely mild if any symptoms). You can't really compare the effectiveness and the 0.01% that tested positive afterwards
 
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