Payin for a name

I have been thinking after a buddy from the bush joked that the price of good smoke has doubled since all of these so called names.Then i ask how do the seed makers get off by saying they do a service to the med community,in reality all you have done is draw attention to your seeds and raised the price in the clubs and on the streets for your name strain of the month club.So how is it we buy this Bs story you keep selling us,about your love for us,yes we like our smoke,but does that give you the right to rake us over the coals.Thats right i forgot,we dont have to buy the pineapple express,sold for 3 times its value,yes we do because were smokers and you know it,and we buy what thier is around,so when you think your doing us a service,save it,i aint buyin the bullshit.And please spare me your prepared Pr speach ive heard them all.But hey my buddy is smoking trainwreck next week,only 400 a zip,is he gettin higher then yesterdays 200 zip,nope.but lets keep the names a commin cha ching.Then tell us again your love for us in pain.

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The longer we grow, the more strains we do, the more bullshit we understand in the advertising.

I've grown strains that I literally would have paid 3X the seed cost not to grow the strain at all - and I'm dead serious about this: there's one breeder who will remain nameless (because he appears to have pulled his head out of his ass and is putting out good beans) who I bought 12 (exactly) strains from when I first started growing ($600 for seeds). Hermies, stretch, won't finish, weak, low yield - every single strain. Stretched so much in a space I now have 12 plants I had 5 which produced less. And the whole time I was wracking my brain looking for the mistakes I was making.

And this horror was after starting growing with 3 bag seed grows with over 40 plants (each from seed) and not a single banana. I was a beginner grower but these beans were absolute shit, the breeder - who could apparently breed some good beans in the past - jobbed out his seed production to inexperienced breeders. Good growers who thought they were breeders who ended up being F2 pollen chuckers.

So after that nightmare I don't mind spending top dollar and shelling out 40 bucks for a pack of Subcool beans, or even going so far as to empty my bank for a $30 CAD pack of PeakSeedsBC beans. There are still bargins out there and of the keepers in my garden the most expensive is Serious Kali Mist @ $125.

I've found that I've got to do a lot of research before committing to a strain, I'm not so concerned about the money as the space and time in my garden.

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"my buddy is smoking trainwreck next week,only 400 a zip,is he gettin higher then yesterdays 200 zip,"

Wait a sec, are you talking about dealers selling weed? Not seed?

My bad, but I'm not erasing after all this work. (back to the Kali Mist).

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Hobbes Man....Every time I take in your science, its proper ....+ REP

I am as tight as they come with my budget...It is a business(breeding selling seeds) that has been commercialized..So some of those who were authentic in their quest 2 produce the highest quality strain(s) possible in the earlier days have since found great success and rightfully so....However a % of these folk have over time adapted to their surroundings which have changed since the gorilla growing "Che G." days and have become business men, who now seek to create TRENDS through marketing and miss info.....This is ever apparent in the dutch market where a # of reputable dealers have Bcome the source of many complaints...On the other end of the scale is Cali where it seems that the genetics R being pushed...I ask my self is it marketing? time will tell....Also this Clone only shit gotta cease...We R HUMANS and R very resourceful Cuttings travel the world regardless where they start!!!!!!!

I will say that, at times U get what U pay 4...There R "breeders" out there who make good product...Some more expensive than others......The community will speak and if we listen we will know who is who....Lastly, we the community have the power..We allow some of these folk 2 control our wants and needs..We need 2 barter more often amongst 1another and share our knowledge, believing it is 4 the greater good of our medicine and man kind....Fear not Male Plants...Strategically breed Ur prized females....Grow beans...Trade Beans...Introduce "new" genetics.......Preserve all land races...........IMO.........1ONE1...................

PEACE,BLESSINGS,PROSPERITY

It wont allow me 2 Rep U hobbes....Dont watch that...Stay up ...1ONE1...

PEACE,BLESSINGS,PROSPERITY

some people are rips but their business fades to the rear over time. thats the beauty of the market. put out a product that people want ad you will have happy customers and a life long income. try ripping people off and you may get a little money but soon you wont get any. thats what should scare people about legalization. if the gov gets its hand in weed, you will find more expensive, less potent products will be the norm. they dont give a rats ass about customers, only keeping their power. history can be a mutha fuckr

when i first smoked it was all the usual,colombian,mexican,thia,and Hawaiian and a few others,later in my life their was skunk,chronic,bc homegrown,bc outdoor.the prices were stable and the smoke did the trick.but for the most part it was just gade a weed and schwag,i never remember asking what it was because i never believed it any way.then in 88 i quit all drugs and drinks,i had a problem i never went to bed for 10 years,i mean i slept but only after passing out.12 years later i come back,and i go what the hell is romulin,or harijuana,or whitewidow or flo,or northern lights#1-5 etc,honestly it was all good i really couldn't decipher one indica hybrid from the next.slightly but not to the point of saying this is this or that is that in a blind test.prices were still the same across the board,i smoked kush for 20 years before it was kush,and i never paid the price for kush back then that i pay now.i decided to throw away all the books i kept on my crosses and just call them 1 through what ever.because in the end most of it is the same in more ways then it is different.but these marketing blitzes of these so called must have strains have nat made pot better,only more expensive for the consumer,and im not talking for the growers but the buyers who cant grow,their getting ripped off because of all this crap.cant you just buy good weed without the name,NO NAME POT.because people cant keep dishing out their hard earned pay for these whacked out names,i don't even know if im saying this right,but i see more wrong then good in the cannabis business.And its spreading fast because of the money involved,and the asses that need to be kissed to get your picture on the cover of the $$$$$.And the control that a select few hold,they have the power to make you or break you and they are an exclusive club.They care nothing about the medical community,they love money.Like my bush wacker buddy says i tell him i don't want no fricken name,so he gets bag B,which is still bag A without the name lol,true story.

i do remember years and years ago the bikers would take 20 pounds pay someone to rake the front lawn and put the autumn leaves and twigs in it to make it 30.very few people could say a word too them because of violence but more then a few were just plain crazy and haywire bush wackers and they got thier money back with interest,but it still the same today,that part hasn't changed,but the hippy weed connections were always the best years ago,but those hippies are today's yuppies and they sell the name.and playin the game.

how can i name my strains when they are made from hybrids that are made from hybrids,which all had an assotment of phenoetypes and mine do as well.And i dont even know if the strains i used are what they said they are.The strain list has a 1000+ strains.Really it is a crap shoot,half the seed makers admit or dont say what pollinated what,because they dont know.i had a hermie bag seed,it was really good,it pollinated an already pollinated plant,that happend in a 1 light system,and im sure it happens in breeding facilities around the globe,I have found the only thing in the strain name you can trust to be true is the price.Thier really is not much differance in the high in most of the 9 week indica hybrids.It really is basically all the same stuff,but when you get to sativas,thier your on a wild ride.i had very little couchlock weed in the early 70,s.it was all get up and go weed,not oh man im wasted,im just going to flake on the coutch a bit,then your asleep.it is probably why i went to other substances because of the sleep weed,i wanted to be out trucking through the bush,or rocking the night away.So whats in a name,and why should we care,when little lies become big lies and the story grows,and so do the profits.i guess i can say i grow hybrids.and it took my bush wacker buddy to set me strait,when i desribed the names of what they were,he laughed and asked if i buy gucci and nike sun glasses,or rude dog t-shirts and then broke out laughing,saying how the hell do you know what it really is.its weed man,some good some bad.

growing 9 years on my own another 6 with a partner never paid for seeds

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"my buddy is smoking trainwreck next week,only 400 a zip,is he gettin higher then yesterdays 200 zip,"

Wait a sec, are you talking about dealers selling weed? Not seed?

My bad, but I'm not erasing after all this work. (back to the Kali Mist).

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[/QUOTE]ya that was alot of typeing,i did mean the relationship to the names applied to strains,which only increases the prices for the needing consumer,not the grower as much,but that is part and parcel of the eqation.

Great post, I am pretty young...when I first started smoking it was either mexican or chronic...I have NEVER gotten the same kind of weed if it wasn't within a day or two from the dealer. Every week it is something different, nothing more than I hate a dealer trying to tax just to make a couple extra bucks



I like the discussion from some of you who have been growing and been in the game for a minute...keep it going

tusseltussel said:

growing 9 years on my own another 6 with a partner never paid for seeds

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ya thier really is no need to,but like i said i dont want to see real breeding go away,but for seed making any one can do it.

trapper said:

ya thier really is no need to,but like i said i dont want to see real breeding go away,but for seed making any one can do it.

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If you some some of the hemp that passes for weed around here you might disagree.

Seriously though, I have learned a lot from your posts trapper. Between you, raiderman, and hobbes I can usually find some great info on the strains I am interested in. +rep

HowardWCampbell said:

If you some some of the hemp that passes for weed around here you might disagree.

Seriously though, I have learned a lot from your posts trapper. Between you, raiderman, and hobbes I can usually find some great info on the strains I am interested in. +rep

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ya hemp,i had a nice outdoor strain that pollinatated itself for 2 years,this year it really was hempy,it just popped out of no where lol.but i dont really know that much,but i have seen the changes from the last 30 years.as much as i believe we have improoved pot,i also think we have not.i mean to think that tribes never culled the week untill our generation came along is shallow thinking.i do know of my uncles friends who were the real hippy commune types,going world wide with a thumb or helping a boat with cargo,and they loved 2 things,nature and the worlds cultures,and weed.they say that they still smoked better weed in argentina,mexico,africa,parguay peru,india,then anything today.so i dont buy that weed is better,i will agree the indoor 7-9 week indica/sativa hybrids are better then the indoor they grew 30 years ago.but with so many question marxs in the strain listings,and everything is hybrids,who the hell can say what is what and what linage is better.i bet you can find a 1000 differant strains in a skunkxjack herer.so then you have a plant called A,and A is bred to a plant of another multi hybrid called b,they produce plant c and so on,and in the end it is nothing but a hybrid,you can give it any name under the sun,and still be right as if you called it a combination made from the names of 2 multixmulti xmulti hybrid.but im getting confuseing.

well the best reason for making seeds,is that you have them when you need them.i got the call today that they have a bed ready for my surgery,so like many so many times i will have to start from scratch in a few months, i wish i knew it was coming,i wouldnt of started the seeds i did some weeks back(seeds i orderd)oh well.what a waste,but i will be back in a month or 2,so i hope everyone has a succesful grow and you get to enjoy the fruits of your labor,because i can say i never saw to many bad pics of genetics on here for some time,except that ICE someone had,now that was ugly lol.so take care and play fair.see ya in a few months.

no offense trapper but you need a time machine you seem unhappy with pretty much everything involving cannabis these days. im a med card holder in cali i get good fair prices i never pay 400 an ounce or more than 40 or 50 an 1/8th which is pretty standard all for top of the line strains. if you shop around there is no reason to get screwed and as far as old school nostalgia its just that nostalgia. herb these days is better and more refined at worst its certainly as good as 20+ years ago. no offense you seem like a nice guy but its the same over and over again about how the new breeders suck its all bad pollen chuckers high prices etc... etc... what do you like about the current state of the cannabis industry? personally i think its one of the best times since wed was originally outlawed imo. not trying to stir up shit but its sort of redundant. if med laws were repealed tommorow many of us in ten years would think back to the wonderfull heydays of the med scene. i guess what im saying is keep things in perspective. peace

bicycle racer said:

no offense trapper but you need a time machine you seem unhappy with pretty much everything involving cannabis these days. im a med card holder in cali i get good fair prices i never pay 400 an ounce or more than 40 or 50 an 1/8th which is pretty standard all for top of the line strains. if you shop around there is no reason to get screwed and as far as old school nostalgia its just that nostalgia. herb these days is better and more refined at worst its certainly as good as 20+ years ago. no offense you seem like a nice guy but its the same over and over again about how the new breeders suck its all bad pollen chuckers high prices etc... etc... what do you like about the current state of the cannabis industry? personally i think its one of the best times since wed was originally outlawed imo. not trying to stir up shit but its sort of redundant. if med laws were repealed tommorow many of us in ten years would think back to the wonderfull heydays of the med scene. i guess what im saying is keep things in perspective. peace

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maybe i will have a better outlook after surgery,but i will say this racer,i smoked an african sative in 74 that would kick the living shit out of blue dream,it flowerd for 20 plus weeks was over 12 feeet tall and put the meaning in soaring sativa,so that is not nastelgic,i for one dont believe indoor 9 week hybrids compare to some of the old sativas,and i sure dont think that seed makers make better seeds then me,and the one positive i maintained was that any tom dick or harry can make the same thing as joey weed,cash crop ken,willy jack tga and countless others.so what is so negative about that.im telling everyone that it is as easy as 1,2,3 that all the genetics are so good,cross them and find out,dont waste your money on the hype,because hype is a suckers game,so i think i have been pretty clear on that.and if you think i cant make seeds like the people i mentiond then who im to want to convince you,you keep buying the hype,its your money guy,spend it how you like.

i get what your saying and i dont buy seeds at least i only do to make my own hybrids/crosses/strains. anyways no doubt the african land race sativa you were lucky enough to smoke was a winner. but then again i love pure indicas i buzz around all day so i like sedative strains and sometimes i like a mostly pure sativa. neither is the best for everyone were all different with regards to mental state and physialogy. anywyas all im saying is its not all bad i think the situation is good. if people choose to be uneducated and want to shell out money for possible crap genetics than so be it that aspect is no different than any business which has existed since the begining of man.

so racer when you smoked the land race sativas of the early 70,s what was your opinion on them.

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i get what your saying and i dont buy seeds at least i only do to make my own hybrids/crosses/strains. anyways no doubt the african land race sativa you were lucky enough to smoke was a winner. but then again i love pure indicas i buzz around all day so i like sedative strains and sometimes i like a mostly pure sativa. neither is the best for everyone were all different with regards to mental state and physialogy. anywyas all im saying is its not all bad i think the situation is good. if people choose to be uneducated and want to shell out money for possible crap genetics than so be it that aspect is no different than any business which has existed since the begining of man.

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not just the african sativa i smoked,botsawana was filled with great sativas from tribe to tribe,peru had some of the best weed you could even imagine,so its not false imagination clouded by time,they were out of this world sativas.so to say i have smoked better today or in cali,no sir i have not,not even close.