i didnt bother to read the whole thread but if your looking for advice on party cup grows, i am fairly knowledgeable. as far as not using any nutes, i hope you reconsider with your fellow growers advice. all that growings and bud production requires a lot of nutrients that a single 160z cup just cant hold for a whole grow. at teh very least mix in coffee grounds and other organic waste materials. miracle gro is cheap and easy miz directions. starting off use half the recommended measurement and build your way up. check out my cfl party cup grow journal posted below. post any questions youve got up there n id love to help yout hrough this grow. best of luck to ya.