perlite question

nmate2oo2

New Member
what do you mean by nutes are heavy or hot or nothing...depends what kind of perlite i buy...is the perlite a must for drainage or can i just grow in soil alone..it's foxfarms oceam forest organic soil..+rep for response before..thx
 

mane2008

Well-Known Member
you dont need to add perlite to FFOF, but it wouldn't hurt. i meant to say the nutes are NOT heavy as in it will not make a diff in my opinion. I'd rather get vermiculite since FFOF has a decent amount of perlite.
 

madeofmetal

Active Member
Lots of soil mixtures include perlite in their soil among other things. I bought a nice organic potting soil mixture from Espoma from Agway consisting of dolomite lime, perlite, 45-55% spaghnum peat moss, peat moss, humus, myco-tone (promote root growth, increase nutrient/water uptake). It's been really great, can't complain. Perlite helps aeration.
Don't use vermiculite - it absorbs water like a sponge and robs the plant of water.
 

Fas1

Member
i use FFOF and i add perlite to all of mine! you dont have to but its nice and the plants love it! But thats just my opinion
 

Cali.Grown>408

Well-Known Member
perlite is the smartest thing to add to any medium..i always add 30%perlite in soil or coco..its better to get oxygen to your roots..never heard the miracle grow perlite had ferts in it..i usually buy it from the hydro shop but this grow i got some MG perlite from Lowe's and added it to my coco not knowing it had ferts and everything is going smooth..no burns at all and im a heavy feeder type a guy
 

Nullis

Moderator
I definitely wouldn't add any "Miracle Grow" brand perlite which has been tainted with synthetic fertilizer to any kind of organic soil, Ocean Forest included. I know that most people don't realize how soils are [and should be] alive with various interrelating, interactive, symbiotic (mutually beneficial) micro-organisms or how synthetic salts kill or shock these organisms, upset the delicate balance out of their favor and hinder their capacity to do really good things for our plants (like seek out, sequester and mineralize the nutrients they need when they need them and keep disease-causing organisms at bay)- but it's true.

To get the most out of a soil like Ocean Forest and grow your plants to their full genetic potential, thereby achieving the best quality finished product, it really helps to at least be aware that there is lots of life in soil and that life needs to be protected from things like chlorinated tap water and synthetic salts (including pH Up).

Aside from all of that, Ocean Forest usually seems to have enough perlite- too much if you ask me. Some people reason that copious amounts of perlite helps to ensure proper drainage/aeration, and I used to be among them. I feel differently now though, and I no longer feel comfortable using a mix that is 20% perlite or even 10%. Perlite just isn't an ideal amendment to be using in those amounts for a soil organics grow. Sure it holds some water and is light and airy, but it also dries out quickly and it has zero nutritive value. I also don't believe that microbes would be able to colonize it like some other materials.

There are various other amendments that we can use for the purpose of helping drainage, water/nutrient retention and keeping things aerated in conjunction with a small amount of perlite and coco coir; sphagnum peat moss is light and airy, holds water and nutrients, earthworm castings help with aeration and are nutrient rich, but humus is just about the best amendment as it holds water, nutrients, air and is full of life.
 

Cali.Grown>408

Well-Known Member
lol fuk that propaganda im telling u that mixing MG perlite with coco or FF is safe..i use 30%perlite at least and never have problems..shit i thought it was regular perlite i didnt know it had anything it in so i feed like i always do, u just gotta know ur shit i guess..i cant speak for the people who try what i try but fuk it up, ya know. I cant pin point what they did wrong the whole grow lol. The 2nd, 6th, 7th and 8th pic was like a week and a half ago..look at how fast they grew and how healthy they are..thats from MG perlite with coco..30-50%perlite
 

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gobbly

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it has small amounts, but they are fairly small. It's not what I normally use, but I have used it in a pinch before, and it didn't cause any noticeable problems.
 

Nullis

Moderator
I know that most people don't realize how soils are [and should be] alive with various interrelating, interactive, symbiotic (mutually beneficial) micro-organisms or how synthetic salts kill or shock these organisms, upset the delicate balance out of their favor and hinder their capacity to do really good things for our plants (like seek out, sequester and mineralize the nutrients they need when they need them and keep disease-causing organisms at bay)- but it's true.
Not saying you can't actually grow a plant with it, just that the power/influence of the soil biota (particularly mycorrhizae, other beneficial microfauna) is underrated (or simply unrealized). Synthetic salts in soil is out of line with what creates an ideal environment for the microfauna, many of which are sensitive to drastic environmental changes.

If you're growing in coco coir chances are that it wasn't "alive" in the first place (although I believe some brands are inoculated with trichoderma) but the OF is different (never steam sterilized!) and I wouldn't recommend adding anymore perlite to that anyways.

P1000398.jpgSame plant, one week. And it just isn't easy to get the whole thing in view.;-)P1010004c.JPG
 
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