Persistent problem with OG kush

Ego Fum Papa

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I have grown many different OG cuts in the past and I must say it is one of the more finicky strains, it takes time to dial it in to bring out their true potential. That being said, all of the OGs I've grown have been calmag WHORES, truly. This has been the consensus among many other growers I know who run OG exclusively.
 

ThorGanjason

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well how potent was the bud? It looks good/alright. my ogk was not from hso but Im not growing it now. Have to see a much higher quality product b4 I spent the time money and space for mediocre bud inside. it was good but I didnt bother having it tested, wasnt up-to par at all.
Well, I mean you can look at it and tell it was pretty damm decent. It had this amazing fruity smell/flavor, but the smoke was a little harsh. I had to cit about 4 o's off of it early for Christmas and to go out of town, and it was way harsher/less potent/shittier tasting than the last of it that I harvested a week to 10 days later.
 

ThorGanjason

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White fuzz on the top of organic soil is fine. Good sign actually.
Really? I also had that my first grow, someone told me that "my yield was going to be seriously affected, if they even survived at all. He said that since I had mold on top of my soil, that it was all through my roots and all my plants were gonna die.

They were fine, I wound up yielding 20 o's from 6 plants. One plant had 10 on it.
 

Bugeye

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I was in super soil with my OG kush that didn't finish right. Never saw any Cal Mag problems but I certainly had her on a light feeding schedule. Sounds like that was possibly the problem with mine. Good to know when you have a heavy eater! Thanks for the thread, it's been bugging me.
 
I have grown many different OG cuts in the past and I must say it is one of the more finicky strains, it takes time to dial it in to bring out their true potential. That being said, all of the OGs I've grown have been calmag WHORES, truly. This has been the consensus among many other growers I know who run OG exclusively.
Yeah a lot of people have told me its finicky. It must be worth it though because every seems to keep her around!
 
Really? I also had that my first grow, someone told me that "my yield was going to be seriously affected, if they even survived at all. He said that since I had mold on top of my soil, that it was all through my roots and all my plants were gonna die.

They were fine, I wound up yielding 20 o's from 6 plants. One plant had 10 on it.
LOL I wonder if that dude was pulling your dick bro?
 
I was in super soil with my OG kush that didn't finish right. Never saw any Cal Mag problems but I certainly had her on a light feeding schedule. Sounds like that was possibly the problem with mine. Good to know when you have a heavy eater! Thanks for the thread, it's been bugging me.
No prob! My DWC OG is actually worse I just didn't mention it because its only 3 weeks out and Im much more concerned with the next generation. So you feed with your supersoil? I thought one of the benefits was not having to feed? Like I said before I just gave them a top dressing so far. What are you feeding with, Bug?
 

Bugeye

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No prob! My DWC OG is actually worse I just didn't mention it because its only 3 weeks out and Im much more concerned with the next generation. So you feed with your supersoil? I thought one of the benefits was not having to feed? Like I said before I just gave them a top dressing so far. What are you feeding with, Bug?
That year I was just top dressing with worm castings and a little organic 5-5-5 every few weeks. No feeding until 6 weeks past last transplant.
 
That year I was just top dressing with worm castings and a little organic 5-5-5 every few weeks. No feeding until 6 weeks past last transplant.
Yeah I plan to do something similar although I still need to figure out this top dressing, first time using it.

Problem still hasn't gotten better. My LGS guy gave me a bottle of this 'bushdoctor' stuff and said to give it to them if theyre ever stressed or anything. Gave them some of that yesterday so waiting to see if that does any good...

Starting to just look all around deficient though, could it be possible I didnt use enough top dressing? The bag didnt have any instructions so I just used my best judgement, and my logic at the time was less is more.

Thoughts on adding more top dressing vs feeding with nutrient solution?

Nutes I have for grow are sensi grow A+B with B52 and voodoo juice

or

Ionic grow + floralicious


Cal-mag in both obv...

Thanks
 

Bugeye

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I use castings for about 20% of my base soil recipe now so I think you are okay putting it on liberally. I put another 1/2" mixed with base soil on top of my pots and then use it more in AACTs now. I'm pretty sure you can't burn your plants with it, unlike guano (oh boy - you only do that once!).

I'm not sure about your products, just haven't used them. I decided to go to organics just a few years back. Added teas and myco fungi last season and saw probably my healthiest plants ever. So lush going into late flowering I was concerned they wouldn't fade like I like, but they did, right on cue. With organics, once you get your dirt mixed up good and composted for a bit, everything else is pretty easy, no real guess work. You really can't give them too much tea like you can with nutes so less stress for me.

One of the best investments I ever made was in a good TDS/EC meter to really understand the right level of non-organic nutes to add at feedings. I did best with a 400-600 ppm feeding every couple weeks after they had been in soil for a month. I know there are people here who will tell you that is a crazy low nutrient level, but I had my best results when I kept it low. I'm more into really good tasting smooth smoking pot so I'd rather have it underfed if not just the right amount. When I overfed and didn't clear properly, it was kinda harsh smoke.
 
I use castings for about 20% of my base soil recipe now so I think you are okay putting it on liberally. I put another 1/2" mixed with base soil on top of my pots and then use it more in AACTs now. I'm pretty sure you can't burn your plants with it, unlike guano (oh boy - you only do that once!).

I'm not sure about your products, just haven't used them. I decided to go to organics just a few years back. Added teas and myco fungi last season and saw probably my healthiest plants ever. So lush going into late flowering I was concerned they wouldn't fade like I like, but they did, right on cue. With organics, once you get your dirt mixed up good and composted for a bit, everything else is pretty easy, no real guess work. You really can't give them too much tea like you can with nutes so less stress for me.

One of the best investments I ever made was in a good TDS/EC meter to really understand the right level of non-organic nutes to add at feedings. I did best with a 400-600 ppm feeding every couple weeks after they had been in soil for a month. I know there are people here who will tell you that is a crazy low nutrient level, but I had my best results when I kept it low. I'm more into really good tasting smooth smoking pot so I'd rather have it underfed if not just the right amount. When I overfed and didn't clear properly, it was kinda harsh smoke.
Man I would love to try your smoke some time, sounds fantastic bro!

Any recommendations for threads on AACT? Plan to start using that and mycorrhizae soon too. Just didn't want to try 3-4 different things all at the same time.

http://www.hayneedle.com/product/organicarepuregrow.cfm?source=pla&kwid=Hydroponics Low&tid=HDR207-2&adtype=pla&kw=&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=HDR207-2&gclid=CKyI0ZCx47sCFTDhQgodFl0AmQ

Thats what were using. Tell me what you think.

Thanks a lot for taking the time for that response though bro really appreciate it
 

Bugeye

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I believe that Organicare is a pretty reputable brand and a true organic fertilizer. When I see the words "slow release" I've learned to read the actual ingredients to make sure there are no chelating agents in the mix. These mess up your micro-organisms really bad. Pretty sure Organicare is good though. I would not expect this product to give you any over-fertilized issues at all. I'm less sure about your Flora A+B and other products mentioned. If any of them are not organic, your myco fungi will probably not be able to get established.

I'd love to spark one with you, but I have to be honest, your avatar sort of scares me. Sort of looks like you might enjoy killing me just for fun.
 
I believe that Organicare is a pretty reputable brand and a true organic fertilizer. When I see the words "slow release" I've learned to read the actual ingredients to make sure there are no chelating agents in the mix. These mess up your micro-organisms really bad. Pretty sure Organicare is good though. I would not expect this product to give you any over-fertilized issues at all. I'm less sure about your Flora A+B and other products mentioned. If any of them are not organic, your myco fungi will probably not be able to get established.

I'd love to spark one with you, but I have to be honest, your avatar sort of scares me. Sort of looks like you might enjoy killing me just for fun.
As long as he has his rum and coke everything is dandy!

Thanks again though!
 

ThorGanjason

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I use castings for about 20% of my base soil recipe now so I think you are okay putting it on liberally. I put another 1/2" mixed with base soil on top of my pots and then use it more in AACTs now. I'm pretty sure you can't burn your plants with it, unlike guano (oh boy - you only do that once!).

I'm not sure about your products, just haven't used them. I decided to go to organics just a few years back. Added teas and myco fungi last season and saw probably my healthiest plants ever. So lush going into late flowering I was concerned they wouldn't fade like I like, but they did, right on cue. With organics, once you get your dirt mixed up good and composted for a bit, everything else is pretty easy, no real guess work. You really can't give them too much tea like you can with nutes so less stress for me.

One of the best investments I ever made was in a good TDS/EC meter to really understand the right level of non-organic nutes to add at feedings. I did best with a 400-600 ppm feeding every couple weeks after they had been in soil for a month. I know there are people here who will tell you that is a crazy low nutrient level, but I had my best results when I kept it low. I'm more into really good tasting smooth smoking pot so I'd rather have it underfed if not just the right amount. When I overfed and didn't clear properly, it was kinda harsh smoke.
Dude this post is right on. My og was organic (+ kool bloom to help bulk up in flower, which I didn't flush properly and added to a harshness of the smoke). I was having great results using fox farms OF, (and even Scotts) and adding some dry stuff like worm castings, and roots organics dry nutes (I ran the master pack my first run and bought quarts of everything).

But yeah, I thought I was hitting it with these heavy feedings, finally bought a tds meter and realized I was rarely even feeding at 400.

But yeah, super easy to keep from burning.

Btw crispy bacon--youre talking about fixing deficiencies with organics, I think you said like a tea or something. Remember, organics take a while to be absorbed by the plant, so if you have something synthetic/water soluble I would try and at least treat the deficiency with it, on top of going ahead and adding a small amount of organic supplement. Organics are pretty forgiving, but once they do build up they will burn the shit out of a plant, and there's little you can do in terms of flushing and what not.

But don't be afraid, like I said they're forgiving. I think everyone should try organic/soil at least one grow, see how they like it. The plants are just so solid and strong, they can hold weight like crazy.
 
@thor great points bro thanks for that

Do you think the possibility of harming my beneficial bacteria/fungi with synthetics will outweigh the time it would take for organics to correct this?

This is actually my first time doing organics too so loving all of these tips guys!
 

Bugeye

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Good question, I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer it as I've never transitioned from a synthetic nute grow to organics. But aren't you using supersoil? What synthetic nutes have you put on it? Sorry I've gotten confused because you are doing hydro and soil. The Flora A+B is hydro, right?

I just read Teaming with Microbes which discusses transitioning from synthetic nutes to teas in lawn and outdoor garden applications. Frequent AACT applications is what they recommend to get it started. The first applications will largely be killed by the chelating agents in the time release fertilizers, but a dead micro-organism is still good food so it won't hurt anything. Eventually the bacteria and fungi come into balance and the soil becomes alive again.

Specific to you OG, I would start by getting the grow notes from your supplier that is pulling 2lbs per light. I think SIP mentioned he grew OG successfully indoors and I think he was doing organics so maybe get his notes. Numerous people have mentioned OG being a Cal/Mag hog so that is something you could ramp up a bit that would not affect your organics too much. I see no harm in getting some teas going, only upside. I think Thor mentioned the risk of building up too much organic fertilizer in your soil but I think he was talking about your Organicare, not teas.

That being said, there are ways to put lots of fertilizers in your soil without burning up your plants. You can do this by putting in fertilizer spikes. Basically make a 1/2" hole all the way down the side of your pot with a piece of wood or rebar and then backfill with your organic fertilizer. You do this at transplant and make the hole in dirt that does not have roots in it yet. The roots can then grow as close to the spike as they want and will not get burned. I learned this technique in the 'TLO' book by The Rev. This would be a great book to pick up on Amazon because it is a quick and easy read that will help with a lot of your organic questions and provides good tea recipes for every stage of development. The recipes are specific to growing marijuana so if you just read the chapters on soil and teas it will be worth your while. I think your supersoil is pretty equivalent to The Rev's soil mix, and easier to mix up. The 'Teeming with Microbes' book I just finished is a lot more dense and not mj specific.

The 'Way to Grow' supply shops in the Denver area were the single best source for finding organic supplies that I found. I easily visited 20 stores trying to find all the supplies I needed to get my organic supplies all in place and went to these guys last. I could have saved about 18 or 19 stops. They have their super store off I25 on 57th. If you find someone with better organic supplies, let me know!
 
Good question, I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer it as I've never transitioned from a synthetic nute grow to organics. But aren't you using supersoil? What synthetic nutes have you put on it? Sorry I've gotten confused because you are doing hydro and soil. The Flora A+B is hydro, right?

I just read Teaming with Microbes which discusses transitioning from synthetic nutes to teas in lawn and outdoor garden applications. Frequent AACT applications is what they recommend to get it started. The first applications will largely be killed by the chelating agents in the time release fertilizers, but a dead micro-organism is still good food so it won't hurt anything. Eventually the bacteria and fungi come into balance and the soil becomes alive again.

Specific to you OG, I would start by getting the grow notes from your supplier that is pulling 2lbs per light. I think SIP mentioned he grew OG successfully indoors and I think he was doing organics so maybe get his notes. Numerous people have mentioned OG being a Cal/Mag hog so that is something you could ramp up a bit that would not affect your organics too much. I see no harm in getting some teas going, only upside. I think Thor mentioned the risk of building up too much organic fertilizer in your soil but I think he was talking about your Organicare, not teas.

That being said, there are ways to put lots of fertilizers in your soil without burning up your plants. You can do this by putting in fertilizer spikes. Basically make a 1/2" hole all the way down the side of your pot with a piece of wood or rebar and then backfill with your organic fertilizer. You do this at transplant and make the hole in dirt that does not have roots in it yet. The roots can then grow as close to the spike as they want and will not get burned. I learned this technique in the 'TLO' book by The Rev. This would be a great book to pick up on Amazon because it is a quick and easy read that will help with a lot of your organic questions and provides good tea recipes for every stage of development. The recipes are specific to growing marijuana so if you just read the chapters on soil and teas it will be worth your while. I think your supersoil is pretty equivalent to The Rev's soil mix, and easier to mix up. The 'Teeming with Microbes' book I just finished is a lot more dense and not mj specific.

The 'Way to Grow' supply shops in the Denver area were the single best source for finding organic supplies that I found. I easily visited 20 stores trying to find all the supplies I needed to get my organic supplies all in place and went to these guys last. I could have saved about 18 or 19 stops. They have their super store off I25 on 57th. If you find someone with better organic supplies, let me know!
WOW cant even begin to thank you enough for taking the time for all that man! Will definitely be picking that book up too.

It is very confusing, I know. I have two separate soil grows going along with two separate hydro's. Everything is getting the same(the advanced) except for the ones in the empire builder. Only did a brief amount of research on super soils so far, definitely will be doing way more being attempting it again. Will probably make my own mix too, I know I can do better. Need to read up on teas as well. Love the spike idea though man! Feel like Ive seen it used in landscaping before but never cannabis.

Will definitely let you know if I find another place but WTG is my first option too lol!

Thanks so much man, you rock!
 

sativa indica pits

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Good question, I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer it as I've never transitioned from a synthetic nute grow to organics. But aren't you using supersoil? What synthetic nutes have you put on it? Sorry I've gotten confused because you are doing hydro and soil. The Flora A+B is hydro, right?

I just read Teaming with Microbes which discusses transitioning from synthetic nutes to teas in lawn and outdoor garden applications. Frequent AACT applications is what they recommend to get it started. The first applications will largely be killed by the chelating agents in the time release fertilizers, but a dead micro-organism is still good food so it won't hurt anything. Eventually the bacteria and fungi come into balance and the soil becomes alive again.

Specific to you OG, I would start by getting the grow notes from your supplier that is pulling 2lbs per light. I think SIP mentioned he grew OG successfully indoors and I think he was doing organics so maybe get his notes. Numerous people have mentioned OG being a Cal/Mag hog so that is something you could ramp up a bit that would not affect your organics too much. I see no harm in getting some teas going, only upside. I think Thor mentioned the risk of building up too much organic fertilizer in your soil but I think he was talking about your Organicare, not teas.

That being said, there are ways to put lots of fertilizers in your soil without burning up your plants. You can do this by putting in fertilizer spikes. Basically make a 1/2" hole all the way down the side of your pot with a piece of wood or rebar and then backfill with your organic fertilizer. You do this at transplant and make the hole in dirt that does not have roots in it yet. The roots can then grow as close to the spike as they want and will not get burned. I learned this technique in the 'TLO' book by The Rev. This would be a great book to pick up on Amazon because it is a quick and easy read that will help with a lot of your organic questions and provides good tea recipes for every stage of development. The recipes are specific to growing marijuana so if you just read the chapters on soil and teas it will be worth your while. I think your supersoil is pretty equivalent to The Rev's soil mix, and easier to mix up. The 'Teeming with Microbes' book I just finished is a lot more dense and not mj specific.

The 'Way to Grow' supply shops in the Denver area were the single best source for finding organic supplies that I found. I easily visited 20 stores trying to find all the supplies I needed to get my organic supplies all in place and went to these guys last. I could have saved about 18 or 19 stops. They have their super store off I25 on 57th. If you find someone with better organic supplies, let me know!

Yea, fert spikes as you describe are the same way I do outdoor and indoor with only a small difference, I put a layer of fresh soil in the bottom of the bucket or hole. I take a clump of my organic fert mix, bat guano, sea bird guano, composted cow manure, compost, chicken shit, wood ash, green sand, gypsum, mycos, ground oyster shells, seaweed, fish emulsion, iron shavings, and a few other things i cant think of right now (I like to single out all the and macro and micro nutes and find a source for each) and whatever else your heart desires. place it directly under where the root ball is going to be. and always cover with another layer of fresh soil so the roots can grow into the fert mix. This work well with plant age and the cycle outdoors. It will take a few weeks for the roots to be fully involved with the fert mix, just in time when the plants start grabing nutes and striping the soil, there is an abundance of nutes and metals for them to feed on. Outdoor this is the best way ive found to limit the leaching of nutes during rain storms and such. If I took the same amount of fert, mixed it with all the soil, the plants do not get even close to the size and quality of the fert clump under the root ball. And I must add AACT teas are the best way to feed, in any of my experience.

for the og grow i did, I used super natural fertilizer and some of the additives from them as well as the fert mix i described above, they loved it!! outside they really sucked tho, bud rot was everywhere, loose airy bud, and it was so leafy i made bubble hash, and tincture out of most of it. the plants were only 4-6 ft. and were dwarfted by my white russians that were 12 ft untended. good luck man
 
Yea, fert spikes as you describe are the same way I do outdoor and indoor with only a small difference, I put a layer of fresh soil in the bottom of the bucket or hole. I take a clump of my organic fert mix, bat guano, sea bird guano, composted cow manure, compost, chicken shit, wood ash, green sand, gypsum, mycos, ground oyster shells, seaweed, fish emulsion, iron shavings, and a few other things i cant think of right now (I like to single out all the and macro and micro nutes and find a source for each) and whatever else your heart desires. place it directly under where the root ball is going to be. and always cover with another layer of fresh soil so the roots can grow into the fert mix. This work well with plant age and the cycle outdoors. It will take a few weeks for the roots to be fully involved with the fert mix, just in time when the plants start grabing nutes and striping the soil, there is an abundance of nutes and metals for them to feed on. Outdoor this is the best way ive found to limit the leaching of nutes during rain storms and such. If I took the same amount of fert, mixed it with all the soil, the plants do not get even close to the size and quality of the fert clump under the root ball. And I must add AACT teas are the best way to feed, in any of my experience.

for the og grow i did, I used super natural fertilizer and some of the additives from them as well as the fert mix i described above, they loved it!! outside they really sucked tho, bud rot was everywhere, loose airy bud, and it was so leafy i made bubble hash, and tincture out of most of it. the plants were only 4-6 ft. and were dwarfted by my white russians that were 12 ft untended. good luck man
Wow Bugeye was right, definitely need to investigate your methods further! And yeah currently the plan is to make this all into wax, we'll see though.

Appreciate it man, see you around for sure!
 
To whom it may concern,

The OG's look f***ing fantastic now! The ones in veg look almost perfect and the ones in flower are shaping up nicely!

I posted an update with pics in another thread I started for all of my sicks plants:

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/771813-swallowing-my-pride-my-sick.html

Im also considering starting a thread dedicated to my hydro room, which features a table of Sweet Skunk which is in week 7 and a table of OG which is in week 3.

Here is a pic of the OG's in that room:

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Not the best pic but I will post more as the grow progresses!

Later guys and thanks to all who stopped by to help! Much appreciated :leaf:
 
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