PF tek - Shotgun Terrarium - GT & Cambodians Cubensis

HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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purple stanky said:
hes not heartless hes a pretty chill guy hahaha but he is a HEATlessBBQ ;)
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i appreciate your kind humor!
=]

funny actually....i used to use HeatlessBBQ as my gamer tag on xbox live.

so many people used to call me HeartlessBBQ while blasting people away on halo 2.
haha
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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well at my old apartment i got broken into and my xbox got jacked. =[
so no more xbox but my good friend has a PS3.
thinking about buying black ops for him for christmas. cuz he is a BIG nazi zombie fan.
i enjoy it too.

have any of your played assassins creed: brotherhood?
looks dope as fuck. multiplayer and online.

bet it will be awesome to play that shit on these golden teachers =]
 
sonar

sonar

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So microtech (micro-supply.com) is a legit company? Just checking them out now the are much cheaper than spore works. I paid like $25 for a 10cc syringe with shipping from spore works. Don't mind paying it for a quality product, but if I could find them cheaper for next time I would.
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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sonar said:
So microtech (micro-supply.com) is a legit company? Just checking them out now the are much cheaper than spore works. I paid like $25 for a 10cc syringe with shipping from spore works. Don't mind paying it for a quality product, but if I could find them cheaper for next time I would.
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spores are spores. haha

they are MUCH cheaper and instead of a 10cc syringe. its 12ccs.
so you can knock up 12 half pint jars instead of 10. *two thumbs up*

and who could beat 10 bones a syringe? and only 5 bucks shipping & handling for as many syringes you can buy.
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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dankillerbs said:
FYI heatlessBBQ, you did GOOD by NOT taping up your innoc holes... The purpose of the DRY vermiculite layer under the lid is to stop contams from entering the jar. It works in the same way as other filters, and colonization would probably be SLOWER with tape over the holes... aslo, the foil comes OFF too... that is simply so the water that condenses on the lid of the pot you sterilize your jars in doesnt drip into your jars, which would get your DRY layer wet and make them prone to contam. So keep the foil off after innoc and dont use tape either, just like your doing now with excelent results! Cheers mate!
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this is very important and true fact.
i bet my jars would have colonized fasted if i took off the tape sooner.
you can really tell it makes it colonize faster.

dankillerbs said:
Also, stick with 12on 12off with your lights. A 26 watt floro on 12 hours a day wont do much to your electric bill but it will be stellar for pinsets! Just because they will pin with short exposure to light doesnt mean it will give you the best pinset and best flushes... All the pros recommend 12 on 12 off after years of testing and experimenting so I think thats probably the way to go!
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this is also a very important and good fact. =]
 
cartman

cartman

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purple stanky said:
hes not heartless hes a pretty chill guy hahaha but he is a HEATlessBBQ ;)
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ROFL I've always read his username as heartlessBBQ for some strange reason even though it never made sense lol. If you wouldnt have said anything, I'd be calling him that till somebody DID say something. sorry heatless. peace
 
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dankillerbs

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anyone got anymore extra tips before i buy my terrariums?
and where can a get the finest misting sprayer available??

Something clear, with a clear lid also, that is around 20inches deep to hold 5 inches of perlite, your cake, and leave space for your fruits to grow. And don't stress on the finest mist possible, any cheap spray bottle with a mist will do... Just mist from above, outside your tote and let the mist fall into the tub onto the cakes... With a proper built shotgun terrarium and fanning for a minute after misting you won't have problems with stagnent water sitting on the surface because it will dry off on the surface as it should. It's when you don't have proper FAE that you have problems because the water dosent evaporate and leaves slimy stunted fruits, mutans, and aborts. After all, they do get rained on in nature, and that's big droplets were talking about... They just have enough fresh air(fanning, proper shotgun terrarium) to dry out between rainfall(misting). :)
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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dankillerbs said:
anyone got anymore extra tips before i buy my terrariums?
and where can a get the finest misting sprayer available??

Something clear, with a clear lid also, that is around 20inches deep to hold 5 inches of perlite, your cake, and leave space for your fruits to grow. And don't stress on the finest mist possible, any cheap spray bottle with a mist will do... Just mist from above, outside your tote and let the mist fall into the tub onto the cakes... With a proper built shotgun terrarium and fanning for a minute after misting you won't have problems with stagnent water sitting on the surface because it will dry off on the surface as it should. It's when you don't have proper FAE that you have problems because the water dosent evaporate and leaves slimy stunted fruits, mutans, and aborts. After all, they do get rained on in nature, and that's big droplets were talking about... They just have enough fresh air(fanning, proper shotgun terrarium) to dry out between rainfall(misting). :)
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makes perfect sense =]

im just putting myself in a mushroom's shoes and think how they grow in nature.
its nature!
its science!
it makes sense!!
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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i am FOR SURE going to dunk when i birth these fuckers.

but lately im not sure about rolling.
ive seen people get GREAT results without rolling the whole cake in verm.
but i have seen some use only a layer on top of the cake. (the bottom also has verm from incubation, obviously)


what should i do for best results??
1. just dunk and put em into the terrarium, with no casing layer (verm)
2. put a layer of verm onto top side of cake?
or
3. dunk and roll whole cake in verm

what do you think?
 
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dankillerbs

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Its a good proven method but it is optional... Normally cubensis dont benifit from a casing layer, but since BRF cakes are such a small substrate the extra moisture from the verm layer helps keep moisture in the cakes while allowing a nice microclimate on the cakes surface thats constantly getting moistened(misting) and drying out(fanning). If you do roll though you only do it after the initial dunk, and not after future dunks to rehydrate the cakes. Bake your verm at 300deg for 15 min, rinse your cake well after dunk, then roll in the verm... after, wait 30 minutes then spray heavily to moisten all the verm, that way it all sticks nicely.... also getting the verm nice and moist after rolling will prevent the verm from sucking moisture out of the cakes. Its real simple though and a good method.
 
DarthD3vl

DarthD3vl

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dankillerbs said:
Its a good proven method but it is optional... Normally cubensis dont benifit from a casing layer, but since BRF cakes are such a small substrate the extra moisture from the verm layer helps keep moisture in the cakes while allowing a nice microclimate on the cakes surface thats constantly getting moistened(misting) and drying out(fanning). If you do roll though you only do it after the initial dunk, and not after future dunks to rehydrate the cakes. Bake your verm at 300deg for 15 min, rinse your cake well after dunk, then roll in the verm... after, wait 30 minutes then spray heavily to moisten all the verm, that way it all sticks nicely.... also getting the verm nice and moist after rolling will prevent the verm from sucking moisture out of the cakes. Its real simple though and a good method.
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why? I re-roll after every dunk all the way up to 8th flush, would I get more flushes if I didn't do that??? I've been curious about that but cant find any deffinitive answers on shroomery,shroom talk or any of the others.. some people say they get larger and more flushes with some say they get those results with out... verm is long drive to get though if I can use less I might start...
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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i think i may try it without the first time around with the golden teachers.

ill try the roll with the cambodians.
 
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dankillerbs

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Well the verm sticks throughout the flushes so the first roll is all that's needed and that way your not putting more wet verm over verm that has already been exposed to bad spores in the air, which could lead to contamination... 8 flushes eh? Ive heard under optimal conditions they produce 80% of total harvest in the first 2 flushes... How long does 8 flushes take? May be better to have fresh cakes ready to fruit after 3rd or 4th flush in my opinion.
 
DarthD3vl

DarthD3vl

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dankillerbs said:
Well the verm sticks throughout the flushes so the first roll is all that's needed and that way your not putting more wet verm over verm that has already been exposed to bad spores in the air, which could lead to contamination... 8 flushes eh? Ive heard under optimal conditions they produce 80% of total harvest in the first 2 flushes... How long does 8 flushes take? May be better to have fresh cakes ready to fruit after 3rd or 4th flush in my opinion.
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I got the most weight in the 2nd and 3rd flush from my last cakes, but average 22ish grams per cake after 8 flushes, half of that coming after the 4th flush. the last two flushes are only one or two shrooms but the largest ones of the hole run... also I rub most of the old verm off and when I pick the shrooms it takes large chunks out of the verm sometimes, so I think i'll have to keep re-rolling even if just to fill in holes from picked shrooms, But I use sterilized verm when I re-roll just like when I roll the first time to aviod contam, you can see I use alot of verm lol

And I dont know if this may be part of the reason I get so much from my cakes, but my recipie is only half brown rice flour, half ground up wild bird seed... thinking maybe extra nutrients supplied by the wbs flour... also my cakes never contam just stop producing... (knock on wood)
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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four of the jars are completely colonized, while 4 others right behind, and 4 more that are kind of slow but almost there.

last night i noticed quite a few pinheads pushing up against the glass on two of the jars. =D
whooop!!!!

but i am wondering, is it okay if i birth 4 cakes, 4 a few days later, and the last 4 a week later?
it looks like its about 4-6 days between each birthing (if i birthed 4 jars at a time)

im wondering this because of initiating pinset...
will this screw anything up if i put 4 cakes at a time into the fruiting chamber???

im not being impatient. i just think if i see pinheads already, i need to birth those cakes relatively quick, correct?

any help would be awesome!!!
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mojoganjaman

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HeatlessBBQ said:
four of the jars are completely colonized, while 4 others right behind, and 4 more that are kind of slow but almost there.

last night i noticed quite a few pinheads pushing up against the glass on two of the jars. =D
whooop!!!!

but i am wondering, is it okay if i birth 4 cakes, 4 a few days later, and the last 4 a week later?
it looks like its about 4-6 days between each birthing (if i birthed 4 jars at a time)

im wondering this because of initiating pinset...
will this screw anything up if i put 4 cakes at a time into the fruiting chamber???

im not being impatient. i just think if i see pinheads already, i need to birth those cakes relatively quick, correct?

any help would be awesome!!!
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I'd birth them when they are ready...I have 3 different flushing grows in my GH...it just keeps you bizzy as they fruit and get dunked at different times...hth
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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thats what i was thinking.

i am curious because of making sure ALL cakes got the same pinset.

but dont the conditions of fruiting AND pinning stay the same??
such as lighting, lighting cycle, Fresh Air Exchange, temp, and Relative Humidity????

if this is true, wouldn't it NOT matter if different cakes were put into the SAME terrarium for pinset initiation at different times????
 
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