johnsmith1010
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I know u know nothing and have done nothing . we don't need to continue . when you git something to post , post it . I won't hold my breath
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firsttimeARE
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I saw Twiddle. Black canyon was awesome, but i enjoyed Mesa Verde the best.
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I thought that was the purpose of chelation?
Read the part on precipitation.
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johnsmith1010
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well for trace minerals yes but not macro nutrients. there is no serious agricultural company would ever tell you that because of chelate you don't need calcium .
1 part formulas were originally made for outside soil .Peter's 20- 20-20 is very well known . they were under thr assumption that the calcium and magnesium would be supplied by the water as calcium and magnesium are the water hardness and make up 70% of dissolved salts in the water. there is not reason to have a one part if it is somehow marketed as a time? saving thing? or whatever. do not know what the focus wound be the only reason that they are kept apart is the calcium and phosphorus.
usually the A part will contain the calcium nitrate, the most common calcium source , and 4hr b will contain the monopotassium phosphate, the most common phosphate source
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Plants would die if they could not use the chelation principle. The term chelate was first applied in 1920 by Sir Gilbert Morgan and H.D. Drew who stated: "The adject
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johnsmith1010
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here is a reasonable article https://university.upstartfarmers.com/blog/mixing-hydroponic-nutrients
firsttimeARE
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Well they make Iron chelated for this very reason as it binds with other ions easily. Look at any nutrient label and the iron is going to be chelated.well for trace minerals yes but not macro nutrients. there is no serious agricultural company would ever tell you that because of chelate you don't need calcium .
1 part formulas were originally made for outside soil .Peter's 20- 20-20 is very well known . they were under thr assumption that the calcium and magnesium would be supplied by the water as calcium and magnesium are the water hardness and make up 70% of dissolved salts in the water. there is not reason to have a one part if it is somehow marketed as a time? saving thing? or whatever. do not know what the focus wound be the only reason that they are kept apart is the calcium and phosphorus.
usually the A part will contain the calcium nitrate, the most common calcium source , and 4hr b will contain the monopotassium phosphate, the most common phosphate source
Chelation and Soil Management | Pro-Soil
Plants would die if they could not use the chelation principle. The term chelate was first applied in 1920 by Sir Gilbert Morgan and H.D. Drew who stated: "The adject
If they chelate the calcium how will it bind to the phosphorous? I didnt say you didnt need calcium if you chelate.
Obviously its possible to have a one part nutrient because many companies have already done it.
johnsmith1010
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this is DOCTOR howard m RESH's credibility
he has a phd and ran the plant biology dept at university of British Columbia
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johnsmith1010
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calcium phosphate is not a chelated mineral. it is a non water soluble mineral compound. chelated minerals are unusually EDTA or ethalenediethyltetraaceticacid
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here is an excellent article https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/HS/HS120800.pdf
johnsmith1010
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here is one by a weed site. not as clear but ok for a basic https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/how-to-properly-mix-your-nutrients.8297/
firsttimeARE
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I dont know how they do it then...Maybe its as simple as lowering the amount of calcium containing salts vs phosphorus containing salts?
Fact is they do it. Any decent fertilizer manufacturer will warn you not to make stock solutions because of this very reason.
Im not doubting that calcium and phosphorus precipitate. Im doubting your comment that no 1 part fertilizers supply all of the plants needs.
Fact is they do it. Any decent fertilizer manufacturer will warn you not to make stock solutions because of this very reason.
Im not doubting that calcium and phosphorus precipitate. Im doubting your comment that no 1 part fertilizers supply all of the plants needs.
johnsmith1010
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there are NO companies that sell a complete stand alone one part formal that does not include the need for cal mag .
here is a excellent article on fertilizer in general https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/mineral-fertilizers
here is a excellent article on fertilizer in general https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/mineral-fertilizers
johnsmith1010
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post a one part fertilizer in a liquid from that says stand alone.
if calcium nitrate and monopotassium phosphate are combined in concentration they form calcium phosphate.
if they are in a dry form they will NOT form calcium phosphate.,but the moment you dissolve it , it will . it would be very difficult to do so and not concentrating it even briefly. maybe 1 or 2 gram at a time per liter but that would be monotonous and time consuming doing 50 or 100+ liters. even 20 liters would be a bitch compared to adding it straight as a stock A +B formula
if calcium nitrate and monopotassium phosphate are combined in concentration they form calcium phosphate.
if they are in a dry form they will NOT form calcium phosphate.,but the moment you dissolve it , it will . it would be very difficult to do so and not concentrating it even briefly. maybe 1 or 2 gram at a time per liter but that would be monotonous and time consuming doing 50 or 100+ liters. even 20 liters would be a bitch compared to adding it straight as a stock A +B formula