PH how important is it really????

Lockdown420

Active Member
Something is bugging me about the whole ph thing. Seems like alot of you ph to 7 some to 6.5 some to 6 some to 5.8 ect. Its just that natural rain water is 5.6 and anything under 5.4 is considered acid rain. With all this nute lock out happening could it be everyone is phing to high. If this ph is so important why is there such a differance in levels between growers? With a proper dolmitelime mix wouldn't it be best to ph to say to 5.6 to 6 to keep it around the natural level regadless whats being growing. :confused:
 

Lockdown420

Active Member
When it rains on the soil outside its a natural ph of 5.6 so why would we up it to 6.5 on the soil inside instead? Am i the only one wondering this maybe im a noob still but i think i have good common sense. Plants outside recieving natural ph5.6 water and lower due to acid rain still thrive. I've never seen rain with a ph of 6.5 that would be totaly unnatural i dont think the plants would like it. Just tying to figure this out man im confused. Time for another bowl.
 

Vento

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Oh no you did'nt ... not the PH question .. omg dude .. Can of worms all over the place right there ...


/me hands out the gloves... sit's back with some Popcorn ..

Let's get ready to rummmbbbbblle !

FIGHT !!
 

Vento

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It's good that your asking questions ... It's just that this one will be faught over till the end of time ..wait and see :)

oK ... heres my offering to get the ball rolling on this question ... maybe this will help you understand why the PH is so importent ... Its all about the limit at whitch your netrents are allowed to work at optimum levles , To high or low ether way stops nutes ( Nutelock )

As for the perfect PH leavle ... man this will be debated ...
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EDIT : Just want to add .... Im a 5.8 PH Water .... 6.5 medium man :)
 

kevin

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when i'm growing in soil i don't give the ph of the water a second thought, it gets whatever comes out of the tap. i've had better luck growing this way.
 

drew k.420

Active Member
my rain water is 6.2 which is perfect,nothing gets locked out at 6.2.the growing medium has alot to do with it also like growing in rockwool differs from growing in coco or pellets or soil ect.so in other words if you used 6.2 water growing in rockwool the over all ph would be 5.6 bcuz of the properties the rockwool posseses.where the same water used in a ph balanced potting soil would register higher on the ph scale. you have to research your growing medium to find out its natural ph and then you can adjust your water from there to get to 6.2ph overall. thats the whole reason they have ph up and down.good luck
 

drew k.420

Active Member
tap water is fine for your house plants but if you dont adjust or let it sit out for a day(so the chlorine in the water can dissapate,chlorine is really bad to)your pot plants will suffer badly,i promise,anyone who tells you dont worry about is clueless or just doesnt care about quality or yield
 

Lockdown420

Active Member
my rain water is 6.2 which is perfect,nothing gets locked out at 6.2.the growing medium has alot to do with it also like growing in rockwool differs from growing in coco or pellets or soil ect.so in other words if you used 6.2 water growing in rockwool the over all ph would be 5.6 bcuz of the properties the rockwool posseses.where the same water used in a ph balanced potting soil would register higher on the ph scale. you have to research your growing medium to find out its natural ph and then you can adjust your water from there to get to 6.2ph overall. thats the whole reason they have ph up and down.good luck
Good point that i once over looked, i never checked the ph of my soil in the first couple grows and had everthing out of whack
which led to nute lock and other problems. I've learned that bubbling my water for ahwhile with an air stone helps dail in my waters ph. I check my run off once a week and then adjust it from there to 5.9 to 6. No problems so far im at 4 weeks vegging lemon skunk and afgankush ryder.Im a low ph'er now
 

dewbzillla

Active Member
The pH is VERY important. Some people don't worry about it as much as others, however. They should, because their plants will not be all the can be if the pH is not right.
I never worry about the soil pH, but I pH every drop of water I give my girls. I have to... My tap water is horrible!
I adjust to the low 6's, 6.0 to 6.2, after mixing the nutes in. If it's in that range I consider it good to go & pour it on. I don't worry about the runoff pH, either.

If you want to see how my plants look doing it this way, click the link in my signature. :)
 

kevin

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tap water is fine for your house plants but if you dont adjust or let it sit out for a day(so the chlorine in the water can dissapate,chlorine is really bad to)your pot plants will suffer badly,i promise,anyone who tells you dont worry about is clueless or just doesnt care about quality or yield
tap water is working for this girl.

 

whynot

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I just finished my first grow in soil and while it started out with a pH of 6.7, at some point it shot up to 7.2. I pH my water to 6.5-6.7. Not sure why, but a flush would not bring it down. How would you lower your soil pH if your already into flowering?
 

Nullis

Moderator
I just finished my first grow in soil and while it started out with a pH of 6.7, at some point it shot up to 7.2. I pH my water to 6.5-6.7. Not sure why, but a flush would not bring it down. How would you lower your soil pH if your already into flowering?
Your pH likely rose because your plant utilizes predominantly acidic nutrients. It doesn't matter if your plant is flowering, there are various ways to lower the pH. Depending on your specific circumstance this could be as easy as fertilizing your plant, without adjusting the pH of the fertigation solution. If you're using a bunch of pH Up all of the time to raise the pH of your water when you add nutrient, this could be a contributing factor.

As others alluded to, it has a lot to do with medium. If you're growing hydroponically; in rockwool, DWC, NFT, etc. pH is extremely important. I might not be capable of explaining this in excellent terms at the moment, but consider when you are growing in rockwool or nutrient film technique (where the roots essentially hang straight into nutrient-rich water); there is little or nothing to 'buffer' the nutrients or help regulate the pH naturally. You don't want your roots hanging directly in strong acids, they could burn for one thing and there is also nothing to help plants access those nutrients that would otherwise be locked up in this condition.

Which brings another point, as you mentioned that rain water is a bit more than slightly acidic. But, rain falls on the ground where there is soil. The rain having a pH of 5.6 or whatever doesn't mean that the soil shares the same pH, because there are a lot of things in soil that affect pH and basically just a hell of a lot more going on there.

Many organic/soil growers are not so concerned about pH, and they really don't have to be. For one thing they use amendments that help to stabilize pH in the long term (oyster shell, dolomite lime, etc.), but beyond this those who grow organically in soil are aiming for the soil in their containers to support a complex array of life. Just like soil outdoors, we want beneficial fungus (mycorrhizae, trichoderma), bacteria, protozoa, even earthworms and various insects in our soil because they do many wonderful things for our plants, not the least of which is keeping the pH around where we want it.
Disinfectants in tap water (some which do not dissipate), hydrogen peroxide, synthetic fertilizers and chelating agents will either kill the microherd entirely or just leave them severely diminished and unhappy. This is why these things are avoided.
 
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