PH keeps rising in DWC

IDOSWED

Member
Hi everybody!

I am having some trouble with keeping my reservoir PH stable. I have "flushed" her twice (with PH-d clean water) since the problem started (few weeks ago) and yesterday, between the res. change, I was going to clean the tank as well, but it was very clean inside and I decided not to stress the roots.

Strawberry Amnesia from Dinafem is sitting in a "Wilma 4" ALONE with 50L tank below 15L pot. It has grown HUGE after the roots touched the water. I have been rising the amount of nutrients step-by-step. Its around day 40-45 of flowering now. EC seems to be rising a little while PH rises awfully lot.

I am using Canna product line which should be PH stable. Yesterday, after the "flush" I put in PER 1 LITER:
Aqua A = 3.6 ml (considered a dosage between normal and heavy)
Aqua B = 3.8 ml (considered a heavy dosage)
Canna Rhizotonic = 0.5 ml
Cannazym = 2.5 ml
Cannaboost = 2-4 ml
Ata Bloombastic 0.25 ml (from yesterday on)

According to Canna Grow Guide the EC total level should be at least 2.0 (2000mS/cm) and that does not count the Bloombastic (high on P). Still my cheap EC pen measures only 1925 mS/cm total EC. Go figure that out. Otherwise the pen seems to be working correctly. My tap water was and is around 265 mS/cm measured with the same pen. I can also measure some small rise in EC levels after the solution has been in the res. for a day or two.
So now to the problem - yesterday evening the input solutions PH was 5.5, but today at noon it was 6.3(ish). WTF???

I use 2 HID lights; one 600w and one 400w.
Daily temps are around +26C and nightly temps around +20C (+18C the lowest)

I use 2 airstones for oxygen. I have a CO2 bag around. Res. temps are around +18-20C. I try to keep around 20-30 liters of solution in the tank once. She drinks around 5 liters per day now. I top the solution with a new mix after she has used up around half of it. So after every two or three days i top the solution with new mix of nutes. Sometimes I add extra 10 liters very soon for the purpose of lowering the PH. Sometimes I just add PH- straight to reservoir. In a few days its usually gone up over 6.2 again

Is it possible that even though my EC pen is not showing any fast usage of the nutes in the solution, my dosage is still too low? The plant looks a 7 or 8 out of 10 to me. Buds swell and are hairy as the 60's.
BUT it has some purple stems (might be strain), some spots from PH fluctuations and some yellowing from the tips of the older leaves and maybe some very small twisting of the top new leaves (might be fast growing)View attachment 4329822 View attachment 4329823 I HAVE GIVEN ALMOST MAXIMUM DOSAGE OF NUTES ACCORDING TO CANNA GROW GUIDE. COULD IT STILL BE A PHOSPHORUS DEFICIENCY?

Bigger lights, bigger plant in a bigger tank = more nutes or even extreme dosage?


Anyone?
Thank You, IDOSWED
 

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jondamon

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Your ph should fluctuate to make sure all the nutrient ions are available to the plant.

Between 5.5-6.2 fluctuation is perfect.


If you’re getting an increase in EC then your feed is slightly too rich so reduce strength.

Adjust ph back to 5.8 and drop EC down by 0.2.

When you find the sweet spot you’ll get ph fluctuation but it may take 2-3 days before correction is required.

Temperature is a little too high imo.

Higher temp equals more water less nutes.


Lower temp equals more nutes less water.

Aim for 24C max.
 

coreywebster

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They look good to me. They have grown and spread a lot in the past 2-3 weeks. They look a little reddish outside, but i am sure they are white on the inside. No smell, no signs of rot.. I might take pic and post it later. TY for your input!
That will be the canna boost.

Most people don't need to go near 100% on the canna chart. Less likely to have issues running lower EC
 

IDOSWED

Member
That will be the canna boost.

Most people don't need to go near 100% on the canna chart. Less likely to have issues running lower EC
That will be the canna boost.

Most people don't need to go near 100% on the canna chart. Less likely to have issues running lower EC
I have used canna products for about 4 years now. The roots always look the same when fine.
I have used 100% of the chart quite successfully most of the time. Yes, the smoke was harsh at the beginning, but latest grows the smoke has been smooth and tasty. Thats because of the good flushing, I think. Never had so much trouble keeping the PH stable though.
Things that are different from past grows:
1. More light - previously 400w HID now 400w+600w HID
2. Never had one plant alone in Wilma-4
3. Never had so much temps swings (before I grew in appartment, now in a cold warehouse with my own heaters and stuff)
4. Never had upwards space limitation, now the light are quite close to the plants. 400w is about 25 cm from the plant and 600w is 35 closest.
5. Never had plant that big
 

coreywebster

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My point was canna boost can dye your roots red. Nothing to worry about.

Higher than needed EC will cause greater fluctuation in your ph. Solution to making it more stable, lower EC.

Plus like Jondamon said, higher temps means drinking more water means EC rises means more fluctuation in PH.

Just because you can feed full strength doesn't mean you should, you need to find the equilibrium to slow that ph rise some.

Ive used canna for nearly 20 years, I feed up to 1.4EC in full flower, im in coco so the consequence for me is different, by using full strength I increase the chance of salt build up and lock outs.. For your situation you throw you PH out of whack.
Different consequences but the same cause.
 

IDOSWED

Member
My point was canna boost can dye your roots red. Nothing to worry about.

Higher than needed EC will cause greater fluctuation in your ph. Solution to making it more stable, lower EC.

Plus like Jondamon said, higher temps means drinking more water means EC rises means more fluctuation in PH.

Just because you can feed full strength doesn't mean you should, you need to find the equilibrium to slow that ph rise some.

Ive used canna for nearly 20 years, I feed up to 1.4EC in full flower, im in coco so the consequence for me is different, by using full strength I increase the chance of salt build up and lock outs.. For your situation you throw you PH out of whack.
Different consequences but the same cause.
I get you, no problem. Will be making some corrections right away. Topping off with a 3/4 of a light solution should make things better. The PH has risen some more today. Its 6.7 now. Temps are +24.8C. And EC is right where I kind of left it @ 1935. Not sure about the last because of the cheap equipment. Any recommendations concerning top quality digital EC pens?

Somebody told me, higher temps make the plant consume more water AND NUTRIENTS. Is this false? Not that I am trying to grow with higher temps. For me it's more about stealth (fan speed) and outside temps that rise now day by day even in the north earth :) This is my last indoor grow this season anyway and it should be ready by the beginning of the next month.

Thank you for your help! I'm glad I found this community
 

coreywebster

Well-Known Member
Yes higher temps, especially leaf temps will increase consumption of both water and nutrients. Air temps been a bit higher will mean more water consumed , strain dependant. Lot more to it than that though.

I wouldn't worry about your temps to be honest, if you can lower a degree or two then great but not at the cost of stealth. You just have to find a balance that works for you.

As far as EC sticks goes I use a bluelab truncheon these days, I use an essentials ph pen which is brilliant for the price. They do a EC pen too but not sure if they available in your part of the world. You will have to search ebay or amazon.
Essentials do quality stuff that isn't crazy money.

Anyway since I never said earlier, Welcome to RIU!
 

IDOSWED

Member
Yes higher temps, especially leaf temps will increase consumption of both water and nutrients. Air temps been a bit higher will mean more water consumed , strain dependant. Lot more to it than that though.

I wouldn't worry about your temps to be honest, if you can lower a degree or two then great but not at the cost of stealth. You just have to find a balance that works for you.

As far as EC sticks goes I use a bluelab truncheon these days, I use an essentials ph pen which is brilliant for the price. They do a EC pen too but not sure if they available in your part of the world. You will have to search ebay or amazon.
Essentials do quality stuff that isn't crazy money.

Anyway since I never said earlier, Welcome to RIU!
I did make corrections the way I said a few days ago. I just checked the PH today and its in the range and right on the sweet-spot, around 6.1-6.2 The temps have been cooler by degree or so.
TY again
 

jondamon

Well-Known Member
Yes higher temps, especially leaf temps will increase consumption of both water and nutrients. Air temps been a bit higher will mean more water consumed , strain dependant. Lot more to it than that though.

I wouldn't worry about your temps to be honest, if you can lower a degree or two then great but not at the cost of stealth. You just have to find a balance that works for you.

As far as EC sticks goes I use a bluelab truncheon these days, I use an essentials ph pen which is brilliant for the price. They do a EC pen too but not sure if they available in your part of the world. You will have to search ebay or amazon.
Essentials do quality stuff that isn't crazy money.

Anyway since I never said earlier, Welcome to RIU!

I second the BLUELAB EC truncheon.

Still using the first one I ever bought back in 2010 never need calibrating and always spot on.

I grow in coco and only use pH dropper kit by SERA the aquarium accessories company.

Great for my needs.
 
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