PH rise, EC rise, less water usage

Are you using it at full stregth of their recommendation?

Here's and example of how one change or thought is enough at a time.

I've been running a little test with my current grow with not changing the water right at flip as you would usually. Instead of switching out my water and changing to bloom nutes I instead am adding bloom nutes to my current solution. The idea was to have my solution be more like nature where nutrients slowely stop absorbing over time.

Yesterday my solution had an ec rise for the first time. These thoughts went through my head. Oh shit I screwed up with my test. I haven't switched out my water in to long. My ec level is to high. I could have done three different things or all of them at the same time but I chose the first rational choice, lower my ec. Today my ec dropped by a 100 points as usual and all is back to my version of perfection.

foliage2018 said:

Those 3part basic nutes are Potassium rich on themselves. Big Bud is just 0-1-3

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exactly! the 3part should have plenty of K. and you are adding even more with Big bud 0-1-3.

PK boosters are not needed.

shawnery said:

You have hydrobuddy, right? If you can would you double check my numbers for him? I have pics of all the bottles for the numbers as well.

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i use the one at the bottom:

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm

Mine is wrong! The numbers I got online for big bud and bud factor were all wrong.

I need the numbers off the back of your bottles to be safe.

I was using them at a half strength - which means 2ml/l basic 3part, 1ml/l additives. I changed the water in the res twice: 1. when flipped to 12/12, 2. when plants stopped to grow in height. This half strength made about 1,5EC and the plants were drinking nutes more then water (EC was falling).

foliage2018 said:

This half strength made about 1,5EC

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EC is important but what is more important is NPKCaMg ratios.

your EC could be 1.5 and be all N and P and no K, Ca, Mg (not in this instance but just making a point)

I am using basic+B-52+Big Bud+BudFactor+Bud Candy now.
It is what AN recommends according to feed chart. It is always in the flowering - 2:1=basic:additives.

All the extras in AN from my research is just a plethora of organic chelates which have no conductive value. It is likely that you encountered a toxicity if using the brand full strength in your soil. You're in soil, correct? Does it drain well? From all of the soil grow journals I've followed throughout the years, they always fed their nutes about every 2-3 waterings so not to over fert the soil and cause lockouts which can quickly stack up and lock out multiple things.

Dropping RH by only 5% won't make any difference. You'll need it below 40% to encourage more drinking.

Skybound420 said:

All the extras in AN from my research is just a plethora of organic chelates which have no conductive value. It is likely that you encountered a toxicity if using the brand full strength in your soil. You're in soil, correct? Does it drain well? From all of the soil grow journals I've followed throughout the years, they always fed their nutes about every 2-3 waterings so not to over fert the soil and cause lockouts which can quickly stack up and lock out multiple things.

Dropping RH by only 5% won't make any difference. You'll need it below 40% to encourage more drinking.

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hydroponics - flood and drain bucket system

foliage2018 said:

I am using basic+B-52+Big Bud+BudFactor+Bud Candy now.
It is what AN recommends according to feed chart. It is always in the flowering - 2:1=basic:additives.

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i would throw that AN crap away. and then punch the person in the grow shop that told you to buy it.

look at your bottle of bud factor label:

it has magnesium nitrate as an ingredient yet it has no info about how much N it provides. and the level of 0.5% mg is shitty too for how much you spent on it.

general hydroponics maxi bloom and maxi grow. nothing else needed.

rkymtnman said:

i would throw that AN crap away. and then punch the person in the grow shop that told you to buy it.

look at your bottle of bud factor label:

it has magnesium nitrate as an ingredient yet it has no info about how much N it provides. and the level of 0.5% mg is shitty too for how much you spent on it.

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That analysis is real crap. It is also seen in the 3part as the grow part contains magnesium in ingredients, but not in analysis.

If there will not be any improvement tomorrow, I will change the res to just basic nutes - 0,5EC.
What about trying to apply Mg foliary? To compensate that deficiency?

Whether I had the numbers right or wrong if you can't count on what's on the bottle the calculator is worthless anyways.

If your EC is dropping and your pH is rising and your water is falling you shouldn't change it. In Hydroponics it's going to take at least three days to see any change in the plant that you've made in the solution.

EC is now still, EC slightly rising, water consumption is +- the same.
It's now 3 days I changed the res tank and lowered the EC.
But the leaves are getting worse.

foliage2018 said:

If there will not be any improvement tomorrow, I will change the res to just basic nutes - 0,5EC.
What about trying to apply Mg foliary? To compensate that deficiency?

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foliar is fastest for the short term. get a small bag of epsom salts.

rkymtnman said:

foliar is fastest for the short term. get a small bag of epsom salts.

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Perfect, do you have any dosage recommendation? They say 2-5% of Epsom salt (16% MgO + 36% SO3).

1/2 to 1 tbsp per gallon. give them 2 sprays 12 hours apart. should clear up pretty quick.

foliage2018 said:

EC is now still, EC slightly rising, water consumption is +- the same.
It's now 3 days I changed the res tank and lowered the EC.
But the leaves are getting worse.

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First seven words are very confusing!