Pics of my garden: SSD, KM, BG, BL, T, Flo, RD

Corp

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Yeahh im on on this , like ur style Hobbes(not licking ass).
And that is get as much out of the plant you can

very nice grows here ( Respect )
 

Hobbes

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Corp I started CCOB growing out of necessity - I didn't have the room or powerful lights for tall sativas on my first grow (bagseed) - I didn't know how tall the plants would grow, no experience. I had to do something to save the grow and after the plants were low stress trained I found them much easier to tend, they produced more, ripened evenly and earlier, leveling the canopy was easier. Once you get a feel for how far stems can be bent without creasing them it's just a mater of patience. Best to start this with clones, stems are bound to be snapped and repairing takes time, extends flowering.

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bongsmilie
 

TrynaGroSumShyt

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i have ssd as well but i got 1 fem i kept out of 5 seeds. it actually has a very sweet almost strawberry smell when i rub the stems or barely even touch her, also she is extremely frosty and finished faster than my kushes.. im still growing it as i was highly impressed with the smoke. are any of yours similar?

btw nice strain choices are u more of a sativa or indica person?
 

Hobbes

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Tryna with Super Strawberry Diesel I had 4/4 females and 3 phenos - the two shorter plants were a footy diesel and the mid and sativa pheno were a soft berry, not a strong strawberry though. They finished in 9-11 weeks, pretty good for me for a 9 week strain. The smoke is soft and relaxed, cured up incredibly smooth.

I go more for sativa dominant because I'm growing for myself and 3 folks looking to raise mood, but I've got some narcotic stones comming up like The Flav, Querkel and Blue Moonshine. One of the people I supply asked for Strawberry Cough again so I'm going to germ the 4 fem seeds I have left, hopefully I'll get a good mother this time around and I'll apologize to Dutch Passion for all the trash I've talked about them over the past few years.

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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I've been thinking on and off about air flow in the garden and how any intake vent on the bottom side of the grow room is going to curve up to the exhaust and air in parts of the garden may be stagnet. I've seen some cabinet grows with air intake vents under the floor so I drilled 120 x 1/2" holes in the 8' x 3' floor of my flower cage and made the rest of the cage more air tight. My cage floor is 34" off the room's floor. The cage walls stop just below the cage floor to allow lots of air flow.

I rolled my walls down and right away I could feel a positive air pressure. I stood up on the air floor with the walls down and I could feel a breeze coming up through the holes, all over the floor. When I put the plants back their leaves were shaking slightly from the breeze. Now I'll see if the fresh air coming from under the leaves makes the plants grow better.

I didn't want to weaken the 1" plywood too much so I drilled in rows 3" apart and skipped every second spot on the grid. I may get a 3/4" drill and widen the holes for more air flow.



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My floor is cut into 4 sections of 24" x 37", I drilled 30 holes per panel. On the seams I drilled every spot because there was nothing to weaken. The faint circles are where each of the 12 buckets go when the garden is full.

The grid feels like a low flow air hockey machine.





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The Light Rail and closed interior, the air exhaust on the middle left. Putting the Reflectix roof on brightened the room more than I thought it would.




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Flo at day 54. A small producer but finishes in 8 weeks and the flavor and smoke is amazing. I went easy on the nutes and had no problems.

I scoped buds from over the plant and there was 10% - 15% amber, the trich colors on this pheno seem to change over night. I took it out of the flower room tonight and I'll clip it in the morning.



Flo with the Jilly Bean tall pheno behind.



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bongsmilie
 

TrynaGroSumShyt

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great idea, isnt the stomata under the leaves. so im guessing air coming up from under will prove to be beneficial. once again, great idea. i wish you nothing but the best.
 

Hobbes

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"isnt the stomata under the leaves."

"A leaf is usually a thin, flexible "sandwich" of plant cells. The outside, the "bread", has waxy cells, to help keep moisture inside the leaf. But it also has holes, called stomata, that allow for the exchange of gases for respiration. Plants "breath in" carbon dioxide (CO2) and "exhale" surplus oxygen (O2), through the stomata, which are mainly on the underside of the leaf."
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Leaf pores, called stomata, are microscopic structures that control the exchange of water and carbon dioxide between the plant and the atmosphere. Stomata evolved when plants colonised land about 400 million years ago and have kept the same general shape ever since. But their size and number has changed quite considerably throughout their history.

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Stomata in green.



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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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Tryna how is Elite's Double Dipped Sour Banana? I've got Super Strawberry Diesel cured, nice relaxing smoke but not very strong. I'm kicking myself that I didn't get DDSB before he closed down.

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bongsmilie
 

w1ckedchowda

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Tryna with Super Strawberry Diesel I had 4/4 females and 3 phenos - the two shorter plants were a footy diesel and the mid and sativa pheno were a soft berry, not a strong strawberry though. They finished in 9-11 weeks, pretty good for me for a 9 week strain. The smoke is soft and relaxed, cured up incredibly smooth.

I go more for sativa dominant because I'm growing for myself and 3 folks looking to raise mood, but I've got some narcotic stones comming up like The Flav, Querkel and Blue Moonshine. One of the people I supply asked for Strawberry Cough again so I'm going to germ the 4 fem seeds I have left, hopefully I'll get a good mother this time around and I'll apologize to Dutch Passion for all the trash I've talked about them over the past few years.

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bongsmilie
How's querkle my man?

Westy says it's out of this world, the high, taste, everything. I'd like a second opinion :eyesmoke:

I'm all about the Sativa shit eatin grin highs that just makes your worries drift away, but a good night indica is always superb.

edit: I've also got some Elite Genetics in my garden as well: Tahoe OG Kush x Chem D. I am super pumped to get these flowered.

I'll be making my thread relatively soon, most likely today cause I'm bored.
 

TrynaGroSumShyt

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Tryna how is Elite's Double Dipped Sour Banana? I've got Super Strawberry Diesel cured, nice relaxing smoke but not very strong. I'm kicking myself that I didn't get DDSB before he closed down.

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bongsmilie
it's stinky. and sparkly with trich's. it stretchs alot wl most of the pheno's i had stretched. i had 6 different phenos. but i kept my fav's which are in my current grow. the smoke was great, it seemed like everytime i hit it i could feel it in my face, weird.
 

Spoc

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Hobbes, hope you don't mind if I tag along. Your lst technique is top notch. I'm amazed at how much you can squeeze out of your plants with the given grow space. Very clean and efficient operation. I can only hope to grow with such passion and enthusiasm. Thanks for passing down what you have learned to all of us noobs.
 

Hobbes

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November 28, 2009

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Kali Mist on the left, a runt Bubblegum on the right. The Kali has about 6 weeks left and the Bubblegum 3. The KM was grown single stem and vegged in a 6" pot, the Bubblegum topped once and vegged in a 20 oz cup - it shows how important root growth is.





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These were my tops of my Jack The Ripper, Jilly Bean, Pandora's Box and Killer Chemdog. I rooted the cuttings and vegged to 4 nodes (~2") then put right into flower to sex the mothers. The Jilly Beans have an unbelievable Dreamcicle smell, all three. I though the ads might have exagerated a tad but they're understated if anything. 2 to 3 weeks of flower left.



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3 Jilly Beans CCOB at 4 weeks. (5 gallon buckets) They already smell of Dreamcicle.



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This is the JB on the top left from above. It has 36 branches and the two colas, all 38 will become small colas with equal light.




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Jack The Ripper, Pandora's Box, and 2 Killer Chemdog - all look like they're dying but this is what plants look like during the first week of CCOB training. I've got the branches of each node connected with twist ties and stacked like playing cards fanned out. They'll lift towards the light over the next week and I'll train them up with more twist ties.



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2 Pandora's Box vegging in 6" pots, one at 19" and one at 16". I'll train and put into flower at 22".



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A long and side view of my garden (8' x 3'), 11 x 5 gallon pots and 2 x 6" pots.





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bongsmilie
 

Corp

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When you lowstress the plants , do you let them grow 4-5 nodes before bending and topping the plants ?

I ask cause i am trying it with a Super Lemon Haze,it stays pretty low i think.

Second i have ordered sensi Kali Mist and Himalaya Gold also for that purpose.

Can you instruct me ........
kiss-ass


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Hobbes

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"When you lowstress the plants , do you let them grow 4-5 nodes before bending and topping the plants ?"

I don't train like a normal scrog, bending the plant through veg. I top when there is enough height above the third node to make a good clone ~ 2" of stem + 2 nodes on top. After the top I wait until the two stems are 22" each then transplant from a 6" pot to a 5 gallon bucket - at an angle so the stems are easier to bend. I had been putting the plant directly into flower after training because my veg room was in a secret room with a 4' ceiling at the end of a crawl space, nasty to be hauling 5 gallon buckets around that. I framed up a wall in my flower room (32' x 20') and used hay bailing plastic for the wall - very thick tough black plastic. Now I've got a real veg room and I'm vegging the plants for a week after transplanting to 5 gallon pots and training. I'm thinking it will dramatically increase yield and shorten flowering time.

I'm running a test with these two Pandora's Boxes, they're at 16" and 19". The pic is a few weeks old, I've got the taller PB's stem almost trained and the shorter is almost 20".




The topped plant will have stems that are bowed like a cowboys legs, cross the stems so they follow their natural curves when you bend them - right side stem circles the bucket rim counter clockwise, left clockwise.

This Bubblegum's stems weren't crossed and took over a week to train. If crossed I could have done it in a few hours.





This is a 1 stem Kali Mist at 35" and a 2 stem Flo (18" & 19"). The stem is much thicker and more difficult to bend and train. We need to get the stem around the 38" of the bucket rim to get as many branches as possible, so two thinner, shorter stems are much easier. The stems virtually stop growth and stretch when bent horizontal, many more branches than a vertical plant of the same stem length. The Flo trained in about 15 minutes and the Kali Mist took days.

Flo - Kali Mist


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Flo


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Kali Mist



You need holes drilled in your bucket just below the rim, to anchor your stem tie downs. I drill a hole every 1", 38 around the bucket. Use 1' of twist tie and make a loose loop around a stiff part of the stem, probably 3"-6" from the end. Gently bend the stem in a semi circle - experience will tell you how far you can go each day, you are going to snap a few stems and will have to repair them. I use silicon tubing to protect the stem and duct tape around the tubing. When I started I snapped stems in two that were only held together with the skin and the stems healed. Tough plant. You'll find it easiest to use 3 or 4 training twist ties along the length of each stem, taking the slack off each after one is tightened.

This is a technique you should use out of desperation (my plants were too tall for my secret 4' room when I started growing) or on plants you can afford to throw away. If you don't have any extra clones around use your male plants for experimenting and learning, just put them back in veg so they don't mess up your females in flower. Great use for something you were going to chop and toss out, now you just toss them when you're done training and you know how far you can push your females.



It'll take a few days to train a mature plant, a skinny stemmed plant from a 20 oz cup can be trainned in about 15 minutes but the yield will be low. If you force the plant, or tighten more than once a day, you will crease or snap stems - tighten the twist ties once per day only even though they will feel loose hours after tightening. This is a procedure where you really need patience. Immediately after trainning your plants they'll look like these Jack The Ripper, Pandora's Box and Chemdog, it's normal.



After the stem is trained and held in place with twist ties you have to train the branches on long branched strains. On short branched strains you have an easier time, they almost train themselves, just need a little help. I start at the base of each stem and match branches from each node, connecting them in the middle by a short piece of twist tie. The idea now is to bring eveything towards the middle and to get the branches in order. After the branches of each node are connected with twist ties start from the bottom of the stems and line up each set of branches like a deck of cards that are fanned out - the branches will pull up towards the light. Give them a week or so for the branches to settle in that position and take the twist ties off. The branches have to be twisted slightly and arranged so the branch stems aren't crossed. In the end you should have the two sides of the nodes making a V with the branches that follows the stems like circular track. After a couple of weeks and some training you're plants will look like this Jilly Bean.



This is a Super Strawberry Diesel after trimming the leaves during hang dry. The tomato care ring I tied it to is 18" in diameter, it yielded just over 2 liters (9 cups) of 4 week cured bud.



I'll do a more detailed pictorial later on.

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bongsmilie
 

Corp

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Thank you man very nice explained thanks,
have read it once but gonna read it some more times before i ask more questions

Thanks again see you see you later



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"When you lowstress the plants , do you let them grow 4-5 nodes before bending and topping the plants ?"

I don't train like a normal scrog, bending the plant through veg. I top when there is enough height above the third node to make a good clone ~ 2" of stem + 2 nodes on top. After the top I wait until the two stems are 22" each then transplant from a 6" pot to a 5 gallon bucket - at an angle so the stems are easier to bend. I had been putting the plant directly into flower after training because my veg room was in a secret room with a 4' ceiling at the end of a crawl space, nasty to be hauling 5 gallon buckets around that. I framed up a wall in my flower room (32' x 20') and used hay bailing plastic for the wall - very thick tough black plastic. Now I've got a real veg room and I'm vegging the plants for a week after transplanting to 5 gallon pots and training. I'm thinking it will dramatically increase yield and shorten flowering time.

I'm running a test with these two Pandora's Boxes, they're at 16" and 19". The pic is a few weeks old, I've got the taller PB's stem almost trained and the shorter is almost 20".




The topped plant will have stems that are bowed like a cowboys legs, cross the stems so they follow their natural curves when you bend them - right side stem circles the bucket rim counter clockwise, left clockwise.

This Bubblegum's stems weren't crossed and took over a week to train. If crossed I could have done it in a few hours.





This is a 1 stem Kali Mist at 35" and a 2 stem Flo (18" & 19"). The stem is much thicker and more difficult to bend and train. We need to get the stem around the 38" of the bucket rim to get as many branches as possible, so two thinner, shorter stems are much easier. The stems virtually stop growth and stretch when bent horizontal, many more branches than a vertical plant of the same stem length. The Flo trained in about 15 minutes and the Kali Mist took days.

Flo - Kali Mist


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Flo


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Kali Mist



You need holes drilled in your bucket just below the rim, to anchor your stem tie downs. I drill a hole every 1", 38 around the bucket. Use 1' of twist tie and make a loose loop around a stiff part of the stem, probably 3"-6" from the end. Gently bend the stem in a semi circle - experience will tell you how far you can go each day, you are going to snap a few stems and will have to repair them. I use silicon tubing to protect the stem and duct tape around the tubing. When I started I snapped stems in two that were only held together with the skin and the stems healed. Tough plant. You'll find it easiest to use 3 or 4 training twist ties along the length of each stem, taking the slack off each after one is tightened.

This is a technique you should use out of desperation (my plants were too tall for my secret 4' room when I started growing) or on plants you can afford to throw away. If you don't have any extra clones around use your male plants for experimenting and learning, just put them back in veg so they don't mess up your females in flower. Great use for something you were going to chop and toss out, now you just toss them when you're done training and you know how far you can push your females.



It'll take a few days to train a mature plant, a skinny stemmed plant from a 20 oz cup can be trainned in about 15 minutes but the yield will be low. If you force the plant, or tighten more than once a day, you will crease or snap stems - tighten the twist ties once per day only even though they will feel loose hours after tightening. This is a procedure where you really need patience. Immediately after trainning your plants they'll look like these Jack The Ripper, Pandora's Box and Chemdog, it's normal.



After the stem is trained and held in place with twist ties you have to train the branches on long branched strains. On short branched strains you have an easier time, they almost train themselves, just need a little help. I start at the base of each stem and match branches from each node, connecting them in the middle by a short piece of twist tie. The idea now is to bring eveything towards the middle and to get the branches in order. After the branches of each node are connected with twist ties start from the bottom of the stems and line up each set of branches like a deck of cards that are fanned out - the branches will pull up towards the light. Give them a week or so for the branches to settle in that position and take the twist ties off. The branches have to be twisted slightly and arranged so the branch stems aren't crossed. In the end you should have the two sides of the nodes making a V with the branches that follows the stems like circular track. After a couple of weeks and some training you're plants will look like this Jilly Bean.



This is a Super Strawberry Diesel after trimming the leaves during hang dry. The tomato care ring I tied it to is 18" in diameter, it yielded just over 2 liters (9 cups) of 4 week cured bud.



I'll do a more detailed pictorial later on.

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bongsmilie
 
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