Plant Moisture Stress - Symptoms and Solutions

iNuGro

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Identical clones, side by side exact ame conditions. no worms, pests specs or anything like that. Any ideas?

*I think that it is HEAT stress or MOISTURE stress? Not enough? I'm unsure.DSCN0676.JPG DSCN0673.JPG
 

mozarttea

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Thanks Dirtfree.



Potbound plants usually exhibit signs of slowing growth, stunting, as opposed to moisture stress which is expressed via leaf cupping.

I bet I could take 50% of the groans of the last couple of pages here and attribute some or most of the problems to moisture stress or improper watering issues.

Uncle Ben
is there anyway i could send a couple of pics in another reply and maybe get some help, i think i overwatered but not too sure?
 

TripleMindedGee5150

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Does this look like mold ? I have my answer made up. I want to see what all the "experts" and/or "experienced" think. I post this here because moisture produces mold right. ? IMG_20140913_223844.JPG
 

FrozenChozen

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PLANT MOISTURE STRESS - symptoms and solutions (revised Jan. 12, 2009)

Quite often I hear groans from folks having leaf problems -> “Help, my leaves are cupping and the leaf edges are turning brown!”, or, “My plant's leaf tips are curling down and turning black ....what's wrong?” Unless insect damage has occurred or the plant is suffering from a severe case of calcium deficiency, the plant is trying to tell you that it is water stressed. It's hard to tell *exactly* what the culprit is, and unfortunately the “solution” the grower chooses many times is not the right one. A mis-diagnosis only serves to make matters worse by promoting further decline. I’ll try to cover some of the more common causes that can induce these common symptoms and try to offer a few simple solutions. The ultimate and correct solution is in the hands of the grower.

1. Over-fertilizing - the most common cause of leaf cupping aka leaf margin rolling, leaf margin burn, and leaf tip curl/burn is the overzealous use of too much plant food in relationship to factors such as plant size, vigor and rate of growth. The first unit of a plant to show moisture stress is the leaf at its margins and/or tips, reflected by margin rolling (cupping) or burning. Sometimes copper colored necrotic spots show in the leaf also. A hard, crispy feel to the leaf frequently occurs as well, as opposed to a soft and cool feel of a happy leaf. When you have a high concentration of salts in solution (or in the root medium) compared to lower salinity levels found in the plant’s tissue, water is actually drawn out of the plant across the root gradient in order to fix the ppm imbalance. IOW, this is a natural, osmotic response that serves to equalize salinity levels on both sides of the root’s epidermal gradient. Back off on the amount and/or frequency of plant food. Too much plant food can also burn the roots, especially the sensitive root tips and hairs, which then creates another set of problems such as nutrient deficiencies. A note for the bio folks - as soil dries, the concentration of the remaining salts rises further exacerbating the problem. Leach (flush) your pots once in a while to get rid of excess salts.

2. High Heat - the plant is losing water via it’s leaves faster than what can be replaced by the root system. The leaf responds by leaf margin cupping or rolling (up or down) in order to conserve moisture. A good example is reflected by the appearance of broad-bladed turf grass on a hot summer day, high noon, with low soil moisture levels - the leaf blade will roll in and the grass will take on a dull, greyish-green appearance. Upon sunrise when moisture levels have returned to normal, the leaf blade will be flat. Lower the heat and concentrate on developing a large, robust root system by practicing sound plant culture. An efficient and effective root system will go a long way to prevent heat induced leaf dessication and leaf margin curling by supplying sufficient moisture for good plant health. One short episode of high heat is enough to permanently destroy leaf tissue and cause a general decline in the leaves affected, which often occurs to leaves found at the top of the plant located near HID lamps. The damaged leaf (usually) does not recover, no matter what you do. Bummer in the summer. One can only look to new growth for indications that the problem has been corrected.

3. High Light - yes, it’s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, debris and dust collection on the leaf surface, twilight periods of early morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system. Keep in mind that all but equatorial material receive less light during flowering than during the vegetative stage.

4. Overwatering - this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition causing root decline and root rot with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. <gasp!> Alot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury.

5. Underwatering - not only is the plant now stressed due to a low supply of adequate moisture, but carbohydrate production has been greatly compromised (screwed up). Step up the watering frequency, and if need be, organic growers may need to soak the pot from the bottom up until moisture levels reach an even consistency throughout the medium especially with mixes that are heavy in peat. If severe, a little surfactant (liquid Ivory dish soap) added to the drench will help return the organics back to a normal moisture retentive state. If the pot feels light to the lift - it&#8217;s time to water. Don&#8217;t wait until the soil pulls away from the sides of the pot or leaves droop before you water.

Happy gardening,
Uncle Ben
That was a very awesome post thank you vital info learned here
 

Steelheader3430

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Hey uncle Ben, a little off topic but I was hoping you would share your opinion on zamal. I've been eyeballing that strain for a while now.
 

Uncle Ben

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Hey uncle Ben, a little off topic but I was hoping you would share your opinion on zamal. I've been eyeballing that strain for a while now.
I'd be skeptical it's pure. I'll give you the original email correspondence straight from the breeder living on La Reunion. I got it directly from him via Gypsy owner of IC Mag. The real zamal is pure sativa that has its origins in Africa funneled thru Madagascar & finally to La Reunion, an island of French lineage. Funny but just a couple of months ago I gifted my remaining beans to another grower. Had them about 10 years.


Message from Christophe to Uncle Ben,

I'll send you 1 picture of Zamal plant; (it's a plant on the left with color lights). It was 4 months old, but I cut him 2 months later. on the picture you can see only the half of the plant. I 'm very surprise because it's the first time I can see Zamal indoor and I wonder if Zamal is a good plant for indoor. I live in Réunion island and the average temperature in the year is 26°; we can breed outdoor all the year; I never plant indoor.


Few precisions about Zamal (not Zamaal): This sativa (100%) was imported from Madagascar 200 years ago with slaves. Her degree of THC is between 15 and 30% (there are few qualities),

she is very powerfull and she unsticked the head of many old smokers. She has a good ratio (naturely): 9 females for 1 male; Her florewing begins between 8 and 12 weeks; but in winter (24° the day, 18° the night) it's not uncommon to cut the plant after 7 or 8 months; here few growers wait 1 year and sometimes more. I smile when you are afraid by 17 weeks of grow; sure it's expensive, but may be it's early to cut her. How many hours she is under the ligths by day? Sure it's a long time to grow in comparison with indica, but it's difficult to comparate this 2 plants (florewing, heigt, yield...)

Harvest depend of the heigt,but usually she is between 800 grs and 1 kg (dry) for average heigt of 3 meters, some plants can exceed 4 or 5 meters, with trunk of 15 cm of diameter! (I have a friend, he installed a swing on his plant)

Zamal is strongest than Durban poison or Malawi gold and more than many indica. She has not a strong odor (except when you smoke) usually her odor is carot-mango but depend the quality, her odor is less than indica. Buds are smallers than indica buds but biggers than your production. Outdoor she needs not too much water and she can grow in altitude (1500m). Usually she lives in volcanic earth and in fact she can grow in acid earth (PH: 5,6) In general she is resistant but she is kept fungus and ant. At all she needs a good sun.

But like I said, I haven't indoor experience and I wonder if Zamal indoor gives you the same quality than outdoor. If you want accelerate florewing, mix Zamal with indica; ex: Afghani special (male) x Zamal=florewing in 6 weeks.

Excuse my english and if you can talk in french, that's better.

Friendly, Christophe.
 

Sire Killem All

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think i got a pic of some low humidity problems.CAM01445.jpgbeen opening a window to let in some fresh air, didnt bother watching humidity. past 2 days i have gotten a low of 10% and a high of 33% RH. the only changes before it started was new location, and went from 400w MH to 2x400w HPS. will try and a pic with them all in it. added 4 plants in good health after this started and they are starting to show slight symptoms now too.
 

Uncle Ben

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If they have a good root system and you have been watering properly you shouldn't be having that problem.

Are the lights too close?
 
sativa , veg22(days) flo42 , 4 weeks more to go , 0.5ml/l algoflash 9-4-6 every watering. tap water (hard), and some leaching had been done (two times , half the volume of pot each ) but no water throwing at the usual waterings .

The problem: 1/3 of the leaves , starting from bottom, are complitly yellow (but no deformation). like this http://www.uk420.com/boards/uploads/1360701325/gallery_74334_5050_29879.jpg
Till about flo27 the plant had no yallowing and it was very vibrant (and still is (except the fan leaves))

There were some low temperatures at the week from flo29 to flo36, lowest at about 14-15 C.

Any thoughts on that ?
 
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So bad ? ... I thought the ratio was ok (with some micros) , also mandalas said it is decent ... thats why. I was aiming to Jacks or Dyna but i couldnt find anything at the time.

You say it is possible that the spesific fertilizer could be inadequate for sustaining healthy growth? why so ?

One question about Jacks (that im planning to buy):
"(Jacks site)For best results, use warm or hot water (180 F°)".
If the water is cold tap water , is it necessary to let the solution rest for some hours or its fine
to water the plants after some good agitation ?
 
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Uncle Ben

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I bought Algoflash based on the hype. What I got was a bottle of "rocks". In fact, other than Dyna-Gro Fo-Pro I've stayed away from liquid foods. Just had too many problems with them. DG's Bloom will also drop precips. Jacks is totally soluble and yes can be used immediately. Don't need hot water unless you're dissolving a huge amount for irrigation injection. This is the best bang for the buck - http://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1
 
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