Plant Moisture Stress - Symptoms and Solutions

DaveCoulier

DaveCoulier

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jjfoo said:
I have some rooted clones vegging. I have been really scared to over water (some 1 gal some 2 gal smart pots). I have watered little by little. Yesterday I decided to get run off. It seems like that grow overnight. I wish I measured them before. I think I may have been under watering. I'm really scared to overwater...
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If you have a well draining soil plus tall pots, you shouldn't encounter any problems with over-watering. Dont be afraid to over-water. Even if you do, you learn what the symptoms are and and further refine your watering regime.

jjfoo said:
the question was:
Can too much fan be a problem? IOW, is is a bad thing to keep the fan on the plants consistently, w/o oscillation?



Just want to double check, it is OK to not have an oscillation fan or are you answering the first part of the question about too much fan. Cervantes says it will dry the plants too much if there is no oscillation, do you disagree?
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I dont have any fans in my flowering tents. :oops: Dont feel like spending $20+ for a 6 inch clip on fan.

Putting the fan directly on the plants seems like a bad idea due to wind burn, but I had a small walmart oscillating fan on low on my plants in veg when I had the space and no wind-burn or anything. Keep it on oscillating and a low setting and you'll probably encounter no problems. Or you can direct the fan at an angle of a wall, so the air glances off of it for air circulation.
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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GrowingfortheGold said:
Lol man if your too scared to try anything new your not gonna learn anything. It's called the school of hard knocks for a reason. You will learn to water right by doing it wrong a few times.
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ballsy sig ...:shock:
For the record i dont smoke or even know what it looks like.
 
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DocBud

Member
OK, I've been lurking and occasionally posting on this thread since September of 2009. I've read every page.

I've adjusted my growing style significantly as a result of what I've learned on this thread and I must say that this is the best thread on the web when it comes to intelligent growing.

Here's my question:

I've got 8 plants on day 23 of flower, they are very healthy. I've kept the NPK under control and have kept the N a bit higher than is customary amongst hobby dope growers, in order to keep lots of healthy leaves. When I pulled the males the roots were very nice....everything is going well.

So, my plants are a very dark green. Darker than other people's plants. The leaves aren't burned, the buds are forming....but damn, they're dark green!

Am I feeding too much nitrogen?
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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DocBud said:
I've got 8 plants on day 23 of flower, they are very healthy......

So, my plants are a very dark green. Darker than other people's plants. The leaves aren't burned, the buds are forming....but damn, they're dark green!

Am I feeding too much nitrogen?
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No.

Welcome to the Guild of Master Gardeners.

UB
 
Kriegs

Kriegs

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DocBud said:
Master gardener?

Not me. I'm a copy cat. I just copied what I learned on this thread....that and pretended I was growing tomatos instead of a magical, mythical, otherworldly plant.
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Welcome to the copy cat club...! :blsmoke:

Magical, mythical, otherworldly -- well said! I did my first grow last year after gardening every non-MJ plant you can think of outdoors, in 4 very different US states, for about 25 years. Well, I threw everything I knew out the window cuz "this plant is special.." Hah!:lol:

These threads are like "homecoming" for me..
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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This might not be the master gardner thread but most of the folks in it are VERY knowledgeable and if you mix this thread with hands on, you are on the right step of being a Mj-G. :bigjoint:
 
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jjfoo

Active Member
Uncle Ben said:
Here's your problem - EARTH JUICE BLOOM 0 - 3 - 1. No nitrogen. You can't expect a decent yield if you deprive the plant of sufficient N to maintain leaves. They just sold you crap. I'm not sure why you would stop including blood meal or bone meal. That is some of my main additives to soil.

And just as an aside, based on this ideologically driven propaganda, I wouldn't touch this product with a ten foot pole. "No hidden NPK boosting synthetics No artificial additives, colors, or vitamins No added chlorine or formaldehyde."

If those idiots can prove to me that plant food manufacturers such as Peters or Plant Products, or Schultz, etc. add chlorine or formaldehyde, I'll kiss their rosy red label. The organic movement is all a big lie.

Lesson learned - you chose hype over common sense. Go back to your old program that was bringing you success, and shit can the bottled foods.
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This isn't meant to be offensive. Don't judge a product based on what someone says. The same way you tell us not to blindly listen to cannabis forums.

EJ is a multipart formula and used correctly contains N. They let you decide how much or little to use. I use EJ and after reading your writings am adding N. If you follow the directions on the bottle you can get normal NPK values, but most people alter the recipie based on beliefs and post it as gospel for others to follow in place of the directions on the bottle.


Also, Earth Juice Grow is NPK: 2-1-1 and
Earth Juice Bloom is NPK: 0-3-1
they also sell meta k which is NPK: 0-0-10

so you can mix I had nitrogen mix if you adjust the ratios if you follow their directions you will always use plenty of Grow

I always read the manufacturers recommendations, but there is a good chance many ignore it.
 
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jjfoo

Active Member
wyteboi said:
I have never been the one to jump on the bandwagon , but after 2 pages of talkin to you , you helped me to realize that i was doing just that, I jumped right on the wagon with all 10 bottles of food and was just reading labels just like the rest.
READ your plants folks NOT the label.

Thanks UB!
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I can relate, I come from the organic belief system, and always prided my self as someone with no beliefs...
 
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jjfoo

Active Member
DocBud said:
What, if anything, would be wrong with putting some Osmocote 14/14/14 in the pot, watering properly, supplementing if needed and exercising patience?
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this sounds like it has great potential

if it uses osmosis in the feeding process it seems like you could just mix up a pot and use only water if you put enough upfront



do you guys add this once then still water with nutes?
 
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DocBud

Member
jjfoo said:
this sounds like it has great potential

if it uses osmosis in the feeding process it seems like you could just mix up a pot and use only water if you put enough upfront



do you guys add this once then still water with nutes?
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I'm doing a little experiment with this.

I got a clone that was moderately healthy...there was some burnt tips, it had mites, was a little ragged but still green.

I took some FFOF soil, mixed in about 1/3 perlite and the recommended amount of Osmocote, and plunked the rockwool cube in the soil. I water with non-ph'd tap water and will not add any more nutes unless a clear deficiency is present.

I started the clone on 12/12 right alongside my other plants.

That was 3 weeks ago. Today, the clone is green and healthy, and although it's only 5 or 6 inches tall, it's in full flower. No nute burn, no "lock out," just a small healthy plant.

I estimate the cost of the "nutes" to be under 20 cents.

I've got a ton of flowers that I've grown this way. They don't have "lock out," or "Nute burn" either.

It's taken me a while, but I think I'm finally cured of the mystical approach to growing cannabis. I now think it's just another plant....and a rather hardy and easy to grow one at that.
 
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jjfoo

Active Member
wyteboi said:
yea send me a link please.
i just didnt know what kind of compost to get?
also whats EWC ?

THANKS again!
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read about AACT

people have claimed (PHD's) that by mixing the compost with a sugar source (like molasses) and bubbling for 30-40 hours or so you can increase the countable bacteria by three orders of magnitude. Like from 1 mil to 9 bil.

bacteria are able to reproduce rapidly give the right environment... in this case lost of air and sugar
 
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jjfoo

Active Member
Uncle Ben said:
A low N amount is normal for most of your cannabis specific products, not normal regarding normal plant requirements. Why your resellers promote such crap is anybody's guess.
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my guess is that it is supply and demand... people read forums with out looking into standard horiculture practices and basic botany to get their info and demand this stuff
 
its me

its me

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Help leaves are twisting an curling up??? dont know what could have cuased this DWC/CEA 5.5-5.7ph. 1250ppm.70' 70%.1200ppm Co2. water 68' degrees.2 air stones in 5 gal bucket. lights are fine at 10in. and at the base of the rockwool was a bit higher PH aswell as the nutes but has been back under control. any help Thanks
 
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jjfoo

Active Member
Uncle Ben said:
Welcome to the real world. ;)
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I've been set free, too. I have a hard time relating to people on y old forums and have lost interest. I'm growing tomatoes in my back yard and see the direct link to my indoor growing skills.

Today I got some nutes from a horticulture company for vegetables, lots of N all the way to the end. This is just the opposite of what I used to do.

I am really grateful to UB and his time he spends sharing his knowledge. I just finished reading three of his threads (moisture stress, topping, and garden tweaks. I'll be looking to start some more as my next manic read sessions.
 
RockyMt.Cloner

RockyMt.Cloner

Member
Uncle Ben said:
Could very well be, most likely fungus gnat larvae, perhaps Springtails which will jump when you water. Did you pop the plant out and inspect the rootball? Just do it. Look for insect damage, soil structure (is it in a state of decay). Smell the rootball, it should have a fresh earthy smell, not a sour or off smell like your grandma's marching boots. The roots should be white or beige in color.
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U.B. how would one go about treating for Springtails and other gnat larvae..would neemz oil work?:joint:
 
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