Plant Moisture Stress - Symptoms and Solutions

capnboint said:

i added more drainage cause he checked and said it was get slimey/gunked up at the bottom.

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When you said it took forever for the water to drain through it raised a flag. BTW, pH does not have a direct bearing on soil structure. Next time open up the soil by amending it with both vermiculite and perlite, about 25% total.

I'm curious. I have never heard of any one having well water under 5. Do you live in a volcanic area or one in which sulfur and/or iron is high in your ground water?

he had me mix up the dirt a bit for a cpl inches on top of the soil, and stab into the dirt without getting the root balls to help areate the dirt a bit. well thanx and i hope your twos guys advice help[s out. till my next noob mistake, peace.

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I would have repotted into a better mix myself. Stabbing it won't help, the channels will just close up over time. Pulling out very small cores vertically through the rootball will work but I doubt if you have such a gadget.

hey UB i have a phosphorus problem i believe and was hoping to put my plants into flower in a week, ive read that gh flora bloom is ok to use to fix this do you think they can recover in a week or should i plan on waitin on flowering them for a lil longer? also any other recomendations of how to fix this?

BLUNTED4REAL said:

hey UB i have a phosphorus problem i believe and was hoping to put my plants into flower in a week, ive read that gh flora bloom is ok to use to fix this do you think they can recover in a week or should i plan on waitin on flowering them for a lil longer? also any other recomendations of how to fix this?

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1. What exactly are you trying to fix?

2. What's the NPK value of GH flora Bloom?

im trying to fix my phosphorus problem, the flora bloom is 0-5-4

great info mate!!

thanx!

yeh it was for sure. they look tons better now. thanx

while they arent perfect if you compare it to the pics i posted last u can see how much better it looks now. hal the curve is out of leaves allready. allmost into 3rd week of flowering, cant wait till its done. thanx yall

BLUNTED4REAL said:

im trying to fix my phosphorus problem, the flora bloom is 0-5-4

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Add some N then. IOW find a product that is high in N like fish emulsion, 5-1-1, or add a tad of ammonium sulfate or nitrate in powdered form.

BTW, who in the hell is telling you that GH flora will fix anything? :shocked: A food that is void in N is a recipe for disaster.

capnboint said:

while they arent perfect if you compare it to the pics i posted last u can see how much better it looks now. hal the curve is out of leaves allready. allmost into 3rd week of flowering, cant wait till its done. thanx yall

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No shit, that's a great recovery! Good on ya....

Okay Uncle Ben Take a look at these if you will and let me know where I screwed the pooch so I don't do it again and if it can be saved. 4th week of flowering. vegged with AN a+b sensi grow, at probably too high a rate but no issues until I switched to Connoiseur then a shot of Big Bud after the first week of flowering. I backed off staying a little less than the light feeding on AN's nutrient schedule. I'm using well water which is ph8.1 to start with. Lets see, its a feminized Nirvana Snow White in scotts potting soil,5 gal bucket. fingers are crossed. Jorge's growers bible should arive any day as well.

i think its in the FAQs that said the flora bloom can help fix the phosphorus problem and thanks a lot for the help i had this issue earlier with these plants and thought it was my ph cuz i wasnt testing it and when i did it was off the charts so then i flushed it and brought it down to around 6-6.5 and they got better, they all turned nice and green then a few days ago the problem started coming back

Hey, UB.. I've got a LST question for you...

I didn't start any LST until my plants were 6 weeks old and just starting to pop flowers -- they're all about 30" tall and covered with pinky-nail sized popcorn buds. Just reticent as a noob to mess with them, more than anything. But, I started some gentle LST on them a week ago bending the top 6-8 inches over about 30-45 degrees. True to form, the side branches went nuts and quickly filled in the gaps, closing in a nice canopy at a not-perfectly but much better even distance from the light (400 HPS). I see a whole lot more hard bud in the future now than had I not, so I'm pleased.

Here's the question -- Now that I've bent them, I have these great new branches, but also parts of the plants getting starved for light. Before LST, I rotated my plants daily to even out the light. Is the best idea just to keep the arrangement and let the light concentrate on these new branches, and just accept that the "shady parts" won't amount to much? Or, should I keep moving them around, which will place the new "dominant branches" and their buds in the shade for a day or two, but will focus light on other parts? I've also seen suggestions about bending one direction, then back the other, but that also seems to place the new dominant branches at a disadvantage, too.

I guess I'm operating from the idea that under any artificial light, there's only so much useful light to go around, so something gets sacrificed. And, I want quality over quantitiy. The other idea I've considered is getting some inexpensive CFL fixtures and supplementing additional light from the sides.

Next time around, I'll be starting LST a whole lot sooner -- amazing how it works, and how fast.

Interested in your thoughts.. (BTW -- remember the "swollen node" discussion we had awhile back? The last plant did come out female, so all my "swollen node" plants went fem, all my "smooth nodes" went male).

bdonson said:

Okay Uncle Ben Take a look at these if you will and let me know where I screwed the pooch so I don't do it again and if it can be saved. 4th week of flowering. ....

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Yeah, that pooch is barkin' right back at ya. All you can do is back of on the salts. As long as the leaves are still green and capable of photosynthesis, all is not lost.

Kriegs said:

Hey, UB.. I've got a LST question for you...

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I don't do LST, I just don't have the patience for it. Having said that, when you position a branch horizontally it will induce bud production all along the branch. Then again, so will a normal vertical branch. So, it all depends on what the most convenient and effective means of providing light to budsites is for you.

Taking care of the leaves is what's important.

Your call......

Uncle Ben said:

I don't do LST, I just don't have the patience for it. Having said that, when you position a branch horizontally it will induce bud production all along the branch. Then again, so will a normal vertical branch. So, it all depends on what the most convenient and effective means of providing light to budsites is for you.

Taking care of the leaves is what's important.

Your call......

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Alright.. cool. Thanks. I think I'll try rotating them once a week. So far, everyone looks happy. I can see why you don't have the patience for LST... one more thing you have to manage.

they UB take a look at these and let me know what you think is this a nute burn or too much light? I just trans planted these to hydrton in a ebb flo system they are under a 1000w hps about two feet away with a fan. Ph is set at 5.9. the nutes are flora series 10ml/g micro 20ml/g gro. thanks for any advice.

mrduke said:

they UB take a look at these and let me know what you think is this a nute burn or too much light? I just trans planted these to hydrton in a ebb flo system they are under a 1000w hps about two feet away with a fan. Ph is set at 5.9. the nutes are flora series 10ml/g micro 20ml/g gro. thanks for any advice.

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Hard to tell under HPS, but it looks like leaf scorch to me. As long as they are getting 16 essential elements in a decent ratio, then you can rule out any deficiencies. What is the total NPK value of what your plants "see".

Another problem - if you just transplanted them, more than likely you destroyed sensitive roots and root hairs. If that's the case, the plant can't uptake water and salts like it should.

Kriegs, I try not to become a slave to my plants. Usually end up doing it anyway.

Good luck,
UB

Any ideas on how I can fix this?

or at least a diagnosis? (growing this in an aerogarden)

Temp is around 75 in my grow space.

I have ~6000 lumens in my 1'x2'x3' grow space.

lurkmaster said:

Any ideas on how I can fix this?

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Not without an explanation of your day by day drills.

Uncle Ben said:

Not without an explanation of your day by day drills.

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Ah, well its all in my grow journal, but heres a breakdown.

24/0 from seed in AG (1/31 on this seed)
Nothing but spring water that I let sit out for a few days with the cap off.

Temp has ranged from maybe 85-90 at the hottest point. (was for a few hours).

Its usually around 70-75 inside my grow space.


Root growth is doing fine, I have tons of long healthy roots growing every day. I have a 10" airstone pumping tiny oxygen bubbles up to them also.

I put 1/3 of a nutrient solution in my res and they started to look a little bit better, but then the first night I gave them darkness (18/6) they looked worse in the morning. And now they look how they do.


So I started looking for possible problems..

This thread looked like it might have someone who would have the answer.

If you can't tell from that, I guess its a pH issue.