Plants Burning - Advise Needed

siin82

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So, I had two plants growing outdoors - they started flowering 2-3 weeks ago. They were under attack by some bugs that I couldn't control (tried many solutions) . They ended up completely destroying one of the plants - see this thread for more details - https://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/231482-something-chewing-stems.html

Anyway, to save my other plant, I brought it indoors. Within 24 hours under 12/12, the tops of the plant were burning (dry and wilted). It is a big plant - approximately 4 feet wide, 2 feet high (masterful job of lst if I do say so myself).

My setup: I have 12-15 42w CFLs completely surrounding the plant. Temps have been very high and the indoor grow area has been tough to keep cool - it's been around 100 indoors. I'm not sure if the burning is from the heat or the light. I have another plant doing fine in the grow box, but it's been there for 30 + days, so it's used to the conditions.

The only thing I've done is water the plant with plain H2O. Any advice to save my plant would be greatly appreciated.
 

growone

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i'll 2nd the likely problem is the heat - cfl's would be hard put to burn 'sun hardened' plants
increase in ventilation may help, but if your grow area is hitting 100, that's going to be tough sledding
 

siin82

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thanks for the input - doing everything I can to bring temps down. I'm hoping they come back around. Any body have experience with shocked plants surviving? Any time my plants have been shocked, they usually don't pull out of it.
 

woolypudding69

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I had a plant that was pretty much dead and Ive brought it back to flower, granted the yield is going to be petty, maybe somewhere between 3 and 7 grams, but it got brought back. Id say that you need to get the temp down in there first thing, and maybe move the lights back. Add another fan and some sort of exhaust to help with the temp. If this doesnt get you down under 90 degrees, you could freeze a milk jug full of water and put this in front of your fan, it will blow the cooled air over your plant as well as disperse some much needed moisture into the air, which from the sounds of your plants, would really help. Other than that, Id make sure to mist your plant well before putting it to bed each night until you see improvement.
Without pictures I really cant say much more. If you post some pics hit me up on my profile and Ill come back and check them out and give you any other suggestions that may be helpful.
Good luck!
 

siin82

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Thanks for the tip, Wooly. The frozen milk container is a good idea - I was thinking of just putting ice in there, but I like your idea better. I've got the temps down to a maximum of 88-92, which is not bad considering it was 90+ outside. I did add another fan as well. I'll post some pics over the weekend.

The plants not getting better, but not getting worse either. I'm thinking that once it adjusts, it should start to grow again.

I definitely have some dead leaves/buds, but I think I've got at least 30% of the plant left to save (maybe more). This plant was going to be a 3+ ouncer; was really a shame (she was a beaut). I'd like to get something, because I have two clones I took before all the trouble started. I'd like to get a sample to see if it's worth keeping the legacy going.
 

Genosyde

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your plant isnt shocked, its just suffering too much heat stress....

good thinking with the ice jug wooly, you always have such cool ideas, but me being the one to come in and say OR lol you can just take down some lights maybe? your talking 12 -15 42 watt cfls? thats 630 watts of light, you dont need that much for one plant in my opinion waaay too much, thats what i would consider too much light if you dont have a large growspace and growing other plants along with that, to me it seems like a waste of electricity. you would be golden with about half of that, prolly bring the temps down a good chunk too also VENTILATION is key when it comes to excessive heat, get the temp down to 85 degrees and its perfect, 90+ is pushing it...
*edit* pics would help alot to see what you can do as far as your grow setup and the like
 

siin82

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good thinking with the ice jug wooly, you always have such cool ideas, but me being the one to come in and say OR lol you can just take down some lights maybe? your talking 12 -15 42 watt cfls? thats 630 watts of light, you dont need that much for one plant in my opinion waaay too much, thats what i would consider too much light if you dont have a large growspace and growing other plants along with that, to me it seems like a waste of electricity. you would be golden with about half of that, prolly bring the temps down a good chunk too also VENTILATION is key when it comes to excessive heat, get the temp down to 85 degrees and its perfect, 90+ is pushing it...
The grow space is in the attic, so there's a lot of space. With size of this plant, 12-15 is just enough light. Any less and the plant would not have complete coverage.

Before I moved this plant indoors, I had one small plant with 3 lights and the temps were just as high. It didn't matter, because the plant wasn't burning. But it did stop growing for about 2 weeks. The heat is not coming from the lights; it's coming from the fact that it's the attic. That's why it's so hard to cool down (top of a two story house with mid-90 temps outside).
 

Genosyde

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The grow space is in the attic, so there's a lot of space. With size of this plant, 12-15 is just enough light. Any less and the plant would not have complete coverage.

Before I moved this plant indoors, I had one small plant with 3 lights and the temps were just as high. It didn't matter, because the plant wasn't burning. But it did stop growing for about 2 weeks. The heat is not coming from the lights; it's coming from the fact that it's the attic. That's why it's so hard to cool down (top of a two story house with mid-90 temps outside).
AHHHHH, now i understand a heat rising issue, best bet would be to put a portable a/c in that attic. and get a good amount of ventilation going out, with those two things you will be fine as could be. and to say the heat is not coming from the lights is not true, its adding to the heat you already have up there. an attic is the most unbenificial (minus humidity) place you can grow in the house, if it was in the basement you would not have this problem those 4-5 degrees the lights are adding may not seem much but to the plants its ALOT, the only reason it doesnt peak from outside is because its in shade, but the lights add the extra heat, but its not outside, to me it seems like ventilation is your biggest problem and still, 630 watts seems like alot to me for one plant, i would love to see a pic of it to further analyze why you would use so much light, cuz im thinking your shit looks like a godamn christmas tree to need that much light lol
 

siin82

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Final Update:

I'm 95+ % sure of what killed my plants. When my plants were outside, I was battling what I thought was bug issue. I think in fact it was rats - I killed 12 rats in the last 2 weeks. Anyway, in my panic, I deviated from what I normally spray (neem oil) and sprayed something that had Pyrethins and Potassiums Salts of Fatty Acids. It's a natural product and it says that it's gentle on plants. However, it also says use with caution on tender new foliage.

So, I spayed my plants with this stuff and in two days, one of plants dies. The other I brought indoors and it started dieing the next day. It's completely gone now. I came to this conclusion after I saw dead leaves on the plant that was next to my plants (outdoors). I don't want to say what type of plant it was (for security reasons), but it was very well established (been there for years). That plant didn't die, but like I said, it lost lots of leaves and only where I sprayed.

I misread the signs and thought the indoor environment killed my plant. Although the conditions are not perfect, I've grown many plants in my attic and never had one die from the heat.

Anyway, I'm giving this update in the hopes that other may learn from my mistakes, which were:

1. Over analysis of the problem
2. Over reaction
3. Spraying with this product (it's called Safer - http://www.arbico-organics.com/1453532.html)

That's it - happy growing!
 

growone

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rats! unpleasant to say the least
your spray sounds like an insecticidal soap, thought that was a safe product, but it sure doesn't sound safe from your experience, +rep for sharing info
 
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