Plants died overnight! HALP!!!!!

georgeisabamf

Active Member
Okay so here's my situation. I am running a 150+ watt cfl system to what was 4 plants. They are all still vegging and aren't huge by any means though they were growing quite well. About 4-5 days ago I transplanted these plants from being in the same pot (bad idea) and put them all in their own pots.

They grew well for 4-5 days, I was careful to feed them fully. Took things slow and whatnot. The day before yesterday I added a few more bulbs to my system, I added some 2700k lights (about 80 watts of them) to my current veg box to use as supplemental lighting.

The day I put the lights in things were going well. I go to bed, wake up the next day, and one of my plants in almost entirely dead. Looks drooped over and all the leaves are practically entirely brown here is a picture to give you an idea of what I mean (sorry for shit quality):


I thought maybe it was getting to hot in the box. I honestly have no way of monitoring temps now. I do however monitor everything else. I'm running two intake fans that bring in cool air with one hole for export (which quite a bit of air pushes out of).

Anyhow, I took the newly added lights out. Ran the original light set up yesterday and raised the lights a tad, everything looked good. Go to bed, wake up this morning. Another plant gets the same thing. But the plant effected this time was definitely one of my healthier plants that I had.

I'm scared everything is going down this route since I only have 2 plants left that are in "good health." Though one of them appears to be following the same path as the others.

here is a link to my grow journal so you can get an idea of where I've come from and where I'm at now:
https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/424817-figured-id-start-thread.html

PLEASE HELP ME!!! I only have 2 plants now, are my other plants still possible to revive? They are both looking just as the above picture looks. I know the plants may still be able to survive though I need to find out the source to this problem. I can't lose everything! That's depressing!!!!

Edit: I should add, the soil these things came in initally was from a friend. This shit wasn't the best soil to use and it had gnats in it. When I transplanted the plants the gnat problem basically went away. The soil that they were originally in had little larvae in it munching through the dirt. This is gross to me by the way. Though I transferred them into "clean" soil, the gnats are still slightly there though not NEARLY as bad. So maybe the gnats are causing this? Maybe it was their larvae I saw? Like I said I don't know what the problem is but I DO know that I'm not running soil with my next grow. It's going in DWC just to avoid bugs and soil problems.

Also I check my PH, and my nute feeds PH runs around 6.0-6.3 Not bad, doesn't seem like this could be my problem so help me out!!!

List of possiblities I've thought of:
-gnats
-overfeeding (possibly, can explain feed schedule if needed).
-nute burn?
-Overheating
-Shit soil in general, though this seems unlikely to me.
 

georgeisabamf

Active Member
Someone please post. When I get home in about an hour I'm going to get rid of the bugs in the soil with some soap and water, will also keep lights high and try and nurse these things.

I'm worried, I need to know the source of this mess
 

Penyajo

Well-Known Member
the source of this mess is a heat issue... you need to take out the lights you just added cause obviously its getting wayyyyy to hot in there .. happend to a buddy mine last night too no shit.. Also you need to get a fan and put it in that hole you have for a exhaust moving air is your friend and by the sounds of it you dont have enough.. Trust me take out the lights heavy water and it should come back within minutes unless it really did die
 

Gogowitz

Active Member
probably overfeeding. something just like that happened to one of my new clones, i had just gave them about 700 ppm and the next morning my plant was like that almost, less crispy leaves though just small and yellow and shriveled. I gave it a bit extra regular water than the other ones, and this morning it's looking better. i'd warn you against dwc though, just as many things can go wrong if not more. Soil's a great buffer for the nutrients but in a dwc it's all on you.
 

DrFever

New Member
get back to the basics lose some lights lookin like there bakin in the heat get fresh air on them ASAP
 

georgeisabamf

Active Member
Well I just rinsed the babies with a small amount of dish soap and water, in plans to kill any larvae that may be in the soil from the flies (I think there probably is a couple, I'm not taking chances). Two of my plants (the two unaffected ones) Seem to be doing okay. No problems and they look green and whatnot. I plan on tomorrow seeing if their soil is still moist. When they are ready for another watering I am going to use light nutes in the mix.

As far as heat is concerned, honestly it doesn't seem to be that hot and I moved the lights out already. I know I should get an exhaust fan and I definitely plan to add one to the top of my box in the future. Does anyone know if I can get AC tubing (the kind often used for grow box' exhaust) at Home Depot? I would assume so, shouldn't be too expensive I guess as well.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I am going to baby these things. The two that are "dead" are on my patio soaking up some sun rays. I don't know if they'll pull through but I feel out there they may stand a better chance in the condition they are in.
 

georgeisabamf

Active Member
So here's an update if anyone thinks I should have done this or not.

I just flushed 3 of the 4 plants with RO water, I made sure to get all nutes out I want to start from scratch basically. Though I did flush them for a while and when I checked the PH of the runoff it was still pretty damn high (4.5 or so), or is that not that high?

Anyhow, my plants are sitting back in their boxes drying out under my original lights. My healthier plants started to have yellowing on the outer parts of their leaves and started wilting too. This is when I decided it might be best to flush everything because I didn't want to wake up to another dead plant.

I do not understand why things were going pretty smooth and then got crappy out of nowhere. I mean maybe I did overfeed them, but it all happened overnight basically. So suddenly. So heartbreaking. :-(
 

IAm5toned

Well-Known Member
souds like a bad batch of soil....

are you feeding plants ferts when there already in fertilized soil, like some kind of miracle grow soil w/ time released ferts in it?

overwatering a time released soil will kill a plant with a quickness...
overfeeding an already stressed plant thats in time released soil will kill it overnite.


just saying.

because it seems to me that all of your troubles began when you transplanted......
 

fabfun

New Member
u got your fans all wrong u want both pulling hot ait out at top and no fan its called passive intake at bottom

u got it backwards dont take out bulbs change fans around

as for the gnats u can but sand on top of soil and it will take care of them and who told u dwc doesnt get bugs u can get fungus gnats in dwc


Okay so here's my situation. I am running a 150+ watt cfl system to what was 4 plants. They are all still vegging and aren't huge by any means though they were growing quite well. About 4-5 days ago I transplanted these plants from being in the same pot (bad idea) and put them all in their own pots.

They grew well for 4-5 days, I was careful to feed them fully. Took things slow and whatnot. The day before yesterday I added a few more bulbs to my system, I added some 2700k lights (about 80 watts of them) to my current veg box to use as supplemental lighting.

The day I put the lights in things were going well. I go to bed, wake up the next day, and one of my plants in almost entirely dead. Looks drooped over and all the leaves are practically entirely brown here is a picture to give you an idea of what I mean (sorry for shit quality):


I thought maybe it was getting to hot in the box. I honestly have no way of monitoring temps now. I do however monitor everything else. I'm running two intake fans that bring in cool air with one hole for export (which quite a bit of air pushes out of).

Anyhow, I took the newly added lights out. Ran the original light set up yesterday and raised the lights a tad, everything looked good. Go to bed, wake up this morning. Another plant gets the same thing. But the plant effected this time was definitely one of my healthier plants that I had.

I'm scared everything is going down this route since I only have 2 plants left that are in "good health." Though one of them appears to be following the same path as the others.

here is a link to my grow journal so you can get an idea of where I've come from and where I'm at now:
https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/424817-figured-id-start-thread.html

PLEASE HELP ME!!! I only have 2 plants now, are my other plants still possible to revive? They are both looking just as the above picture looks. I know the plants may still be able to survive though I need to find out the source to this problem. I can't lose everything! That's depressing!!!!

Edit: I should add, the soil these things came in initally was from a friend. This shit wasn't the best soil to use and it had gnats in it. When I transplanted the plants the gnat problem basically went away. The soil that they were originally in had little larvae in it munching through the dirt. This is gross to me by the way. Though I transferred them into "clean" soil, the gnats are still slightly there though not NEARLY as bad. So maybe the gnats are causing this? Maybe it was their larvae I saw? Like I said I don't know what the problem is but I DO know that I'm not running soil with my next grow. It's going in DWC just to avoid bugs and soil problems.

Also I check my PH, and my nute feeds PH runs around 6.0-6.3 Not bad, doesn't seem like this could be my problem so help me out!!!

List of possiblities I've thought of:
-gnats
-overfeeding (possibly, can explain feed schedule if needed).
-nute burn?
-Overheating
-Shit soil in general, though this seems unlikely to me.
 

georgeisabamf

Active Member
When I turn my fans around (they are basic $15 dollar fans from Walmart, I'd say with a 4-6" circumference), and use them as exhaust, I find they don't expel any air. Would it work if I went out and bought AC tubing that they could fit in and made sure the fan was sealed in there well?

I'm not one for physics (or common sense either), but I'd imagine the fans would blow air from the box through the tube and expel it using this method. Amiright?
 

georgeisabamf

Active Member
souds like a bad batch of soil....

are you feeding plants ferts when there already in fertilized soil, like some kind of miracle grow soil w/ time released ferts in it?

overwatering a time released soil will kill a plant with a quickness...
overfeeding an already stressed plant thats in time released soil will kill it overnite.


just saying.

because it seems to me that all of your troubles began when you transplanted......
Well the soil they came in was planted by a friend (as I mentioned), he told me it wasn't fertilized in any way. I know he likes to use that miracle grow soil that has 10-10-10 or whatever, but he said he didn't use that with these. The soil I replanted them in is basic soil with no npk. I try to avoid soils that have their own stuff in them. I'm thinking with my next grow though, if I don't run DWC, I am going to invest in running my plants in some coco. Seems like a better medium to plant in.
 

georgeisabamf

Active Member
Would it be worthwhile to transport yet again into coco medium or more legit soil? They aren't doing worse but not much better. Think they got overfed/nute burn so I'm chilling on the feeding.

If the soil is fucked (wouldn't be suprised), I don't want them sitting in it.
 

Brick Top

New Member
It was likely caused by a combination of things. If you had multiple plants in one pot, unless it was huge and or the plants were very tiny so there was no intermingling of roots you likely lost some roots while separating the plants during transplanting.

Then you increased your lighting which increased your heat which increased plant transpiration .. meaning your plants needed to be able to take in increased amounts of water in an attempt to deal with the increased temperatures and with them most likely having a root-mass that was at least slightly reduced, if not more, and they were unable to take in what was needed and the leaves became dessicated.

That is the most likely scenario leading to where you now are.
 

gottit14

Active Member
man it seems like you are all over the place with this problem What is the temp in ur room i have not heard u say once what temp ur room is. My grow room gets up to 90 sometimes and i have no problems like this , I dont let the room get to hot for much more then a cpl mins but i never see any wilting or even have to water any more then usual. Also all have to cool the room is a box fan hung up in the corner of the room blowing down on the plants and i have no inline fan blowing air in or out, i Can say though when i leave the door open the air rushes in perfectly. It is key to have fresh air and the removal of old air. Plants obviously breath co2 but will get a perk from fresh air as im sure u have noticed outside in perfect growing conditions. When i say the air needs to b refreshed i dont mean the air outside ur room from ur bedroom or wever room ur in. Give ur plants a good dose of reguler water and also make sure the ph in ur water isnt to high. When the lights go out on ur grow spray them with water(only with the lights out). My room has a 600w hps and a 400w hps in a plywood box tha is 8 x 4 cut in to two rooms and i keep that at a constant 80 no problems. here is sum pics for you so u can c that i might know what im talking about. hope this helps u out bro. Oh ya u said u had 4 growing in the same pot then transplanted rright. Well that doesnt seem like the safest way to go since they can become matted together by the roots. any damage to the roots can slow down growth and obviously kill them so.
 

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Penyajo

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DUDE are you not seeing that the plant was doing fine.. and then you added lights and it died over night... you burnt her up like i said my home boy did the same thing the same day you did with the same design.. and im not lying
 

gottit14

Active Member
i def with agree with penya and bricktopplants need their own pots so that doesnt happen obviously and u g2 know whats in ur shit its all complicated if u want the best results. how are they dping now?
 

Penyajo

Well-Known Member
i agree with you fab i said that in my last post ... This is a heat issue.. with his old light the little air movement was suffecient enough.. you add more light make more heat making it not sufficient enough
 
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