Plants Dying NEED HELP :((((

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jwagman1

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Hey guys i need some help

I have 8 bloomers under 2 1k HPS lights.
1 8 in duct fan temperature ranges from 80-90F
Fox Farms ocean forest soil
Fox farms full line of fertz

This is my 4th harvest, 3rd harvest of the same strain, Green Crack.

My first 2 harvests turned out great! My 3rd harvest near the end of the bloom cycle had tons of dying leaves and some of the bud was turning brown and the bud was not dense. I harvested anyway, there was nothing i could do. I did not know what the issue was.

Then i moved my veggers into the bloom room. At this point the plants had some leaves that were dying and crispy but not many, i thought it was because they didnt have enough light in the veg room.

Turns out, my PH tester was almost 1.0 higher than it should have been. I was giving my plants 5.1-5.2 ph water when i thought was giving them 6.1-6.2. AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

So i figure 3rd harvest was screwed because of the ph.

I immediately got a new ph tester and paper strips for back up.

Then i flushed the plants with sludgehammer and a bunch of 6.3 ph water. that was 4 weeks ago.

Since then i have been giving them about 3/4 the normal fertilizers and 6.2 ph water. At first they looked ok and had good new growth at the tops. but now i have tons of leaves falling off dead and crispy and and the leaves are all curing under and burned at the ends. It does look like there is still new growth and there are buds growing.

At this point, the plants look very sickly. Is there any way they could recover? do you think there are other factors that could be causing this? any suggestions on what i can do to help them? OR is it too late and i just have to scrap them? :((((((((


I do want to note that my next set of veggers are doing very well so the heat and ph are fine for them.


I really appreciate any help and suggestions. This is turning out to be quite a shitty month! (guess we all learn the hard way from our mistakes)

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dc4

dc4

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Growing in soil the ph changes aren't so important. They did not cause this, the soil kind of makes the water change it's ph to something closer to soil's ph.
If you'r soil ph is okay, ph is not a problem.
Looks like over nuted, or too hot.
Check ph of your soil, tell your temps, and we will for sure save those ladies ;)
Sorry, just read you listed temps. 90 is a bit high, but shouldn't cause problems like this.
IMO only stuff left is ph of soil or nutes.
 
papa kropps

papa kropps

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i agree with dc4. what are the lines in the pictures, is the hps on? if so take the pictures with it off they will come out better :leaf:
 
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jwagman1

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Whats the cheapest way to test the actual soil ph? do i have to buy an electronic ph probe tester? ive been using a digital ph tester to test the water ph, but have not tested the soil.


i was probably giving them low ph water for about 3 weeks before i figured out the tester was broken. I have been giving them less nutrients then i usually do, but i can cut back more. could over watering cause the tips to curl under and leaves to get crispy and fall off? i may be over watering...

The light cycle is 8pm-8am and the temperature of the room ranges from 80-90 degrees with the lights on. could this be causing it?


To me it looks like they got super burned and are really dry. Even the green leaves dont feel like they have as much moisture as they should. BUT i never let the soil dry completely, i feel like i may be giving them more than they need rather than less so i really dont know...
 
AMCHEESIER

AMCHEESIER

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looks like you have over fed them there is major burning to the tips and they maybe locked out. id give them all a good flush with fresh ph ed water only and see if they come back. good luck
 
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jwagman1

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AMCHEESIER said:
looks like you have over fed them there is major burning to the tips and they maybe locked out. id give them all a good flush with fresh ph ed water only and see if they come back. good luck
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Flushing them was the first thing i did, but i keep up with the normal amounts of nutrients ...

how long after a flush them again should i start up the nutrients?

Also, should i flush with sludgehammer or just water?

And is it best to wait till the soil is almost dry before i flush or should i just do it right away?

Also, how long should i wait before i determine if they are coming back or not. obviously the longer the lights are on the more money im losing so its a trade off.
 
AMCHEESIER

AMCHEESIER

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for a decent flush id use about 3 times the pot volume of ph'ed water only and really flush them out, and i would start feeding again when they start regrowing new growth. but i would use alot less than you have been because it clear you have overfed. but also bare in mind im not familiar with your soil does it contain slow release ferts? because flushing may case more nutrient release and more damage in them circumstances. if it is already rich with food and you have been feeding more on top it could be the cause of all your probs.
 
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AMCHEESIER said:
for a decent flush id use about 3 times the pot volume of ph'ed water only and really flush them out, and i would start feeding again when they start regrowing new growth. but i would use alot less than you have been because it clear you have overfed. but also bare in mind im not familiar with your soil does it contain slow release ferts? because flushing may case more nutrient release and more damage in them circumstances. if it is already rich with food and you have been feeding more on top it could be the cause of all your probs.
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I dont believe it has slow release fertz:

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AMCHEESIER

AMCHEESIER

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go ahead and flush you should be fine. you should only really start using ferts with a soil like that if or when you notice deficencys in the plant like leaves yellowing towards the bottom of the plant. less is more some times if you do use ferts look for signs of damage and catch them early and simply dont use the amount you have been. the soil will contain almost everything the plant will use over a 2-4 month period i would imagine. again no experience using it but reading what it contains tells me its going to provide everything for at least 2-4 months.
 
Pipe Dream

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What was different between the 4 grows? You used the same soil, the same nutes, the same tent? It seems like something happened between your 2nd and 3rd grow that started problems. You said they seemed like they didn't get enough light, but that doesn't really sound right at all. It was probably something else.

It looks like extreme heat to me. Perhaps, the heat is causing your plants to require more water, and you are feeding them when they are thirsty. The thing is, I honestly don't know if those plants are salvageable.
 
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jwagman1

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this soil does not contain everything needed im pretty sure. thats why they offer a full line of fertz to go with it. Ive used the same soil and fert schedule for my 3 harvests and had no burning problems at all with them. I really dont think this is nutrient burn but i will flush and only use water to see if they recover. should i give them more than a week before i decide?
 
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Pipe Dream said:
What was different between the 4 grows? You used the same soil, the same nutes, the same tent? It seems like something happened between your 2nd and 3rd grow that started problems. You said they seemed like they didn't get enough light, but that doesn't really sound right at all. It was probably something else.

It looks like extreme heat to me. Perhaps, the heat is causing your plants to require more water, and you are feeding them when they are thirsty. The thing is, I honestly don't know if those plants are salvageable.
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the only thing that i can tell that has changed between the grows is the temperature this summer has been higher and the PH of the water i was giving them for probably 5 weeks was around 5.1.

When i was refering to not enough light, it was cause i had 8 plants under 1 1k MH bulb and they were all on top of each other. Once in the bloom room i have twice the space. But i was really only thinking it may not have been enough light because i didnt know about the ph issue at the time.

I really think this is a combination of low ph water burning them and maybe too high heat.

What does one normally see of the plants when the only issue is the temperature is too high?



I have a 2nd duct fan i may be able to hook up to bring in some cooler air... but is it worth the power expense at this point?


I will post new pictures tonight with much better visuals and then you guys can get a clearer look at where i stand. im leaning towards scraping... though thats quite a bit of $$$$.
 
berad4guvna

berad4guvna

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jwagman1 said:
Hey guys i need some help

I have 8 bloomers under 2 1k HPS lights.
1 8 in duct fan temperature ranges from 80-90F
Fox Farms ocean forest soil
Fox farms full line of fertz

This is my 4th harvest, 3rd harvest of the same strain, Green Crack.

My first 2 harvests turned out great! My 3rd harvest near the end of the bloom cycle had tons of dying leaves and some of the bud was turning brown and the bud was not dense. I harvested anyway, there was nothing i could do. I did not know what the issue was.

Then i moved my veggers into the bloom room. At this point the plants had some leaves that were dying and crispy but not many, i thought it was because they didnt have enough light in the veg room.

Turns out, my PH tester was almost 1.0 higher than it should have been. I was giving my plants 5.1-5.2 ph water when i thought was giving them 6.1-6.2. AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

So i figure 3rd harvest was screwed because of the ph.

I immediately got a new ph tester and paper strips for back up.

Then i flushed the plants with sludgehammer and a bunch of 6.3 ph water. that was 4 weeks ago.

Since then i have been giving them about 3/4 the normal fertilizers and 6.2 ph water. At first they looked ok and had good new growth at the tops. but now i have tons of leaves falling off dead and crispy and and the leaves are all curing under and burned at the ends. It does look like there is still new growth and there are buds growing.

At this point, the plants look very sickly. Is there any way they could recover? do you think there are other factors that could be causing this? any suggestions on what i can do to help them? OR is it too late and i just have to scrap them? :((((((((


I do want to note that my next set of veggers are doing very well so the heat and ph are fine for them.


I really appreciate any help and suggestions. This is turning out to be quite a shitty month! (guess we all learn the hard way from our mistakes)

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To hot, and nut burn. winters coming this will help with temps.
 
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jwagman1

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Here are some better pictures i took last night.

Do you think they can recover???



Also posted a couple of my veggers, these are bull rider.
 

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tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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wow that sucks I would start pulling those crunchy leaves off now they are not doing any good. get temps down and flush em heavy with a nuteral ph water then let em dry and feed them lightly like 1/4 strength with a complete balanced nute.......pray......
jwagman1 said:
Here are some better pictures i took last night.

Do you think they can recover???



Also posted a couple of my veggers, these are bull rider.
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jwagman1

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I flushed them last night with plenty of water. i will get the leaves pulled off ASAP.

I am going to hook up a 2nd 6" duct fan to bring in some cooler air.

I sure hope it helps, i really cant afford to lose the crop. UGHHH!
 
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