plants - too many males

panheadcharlie

Active Member
Well folks it happened agian .the high dollar seeds i've purchased has turned to male .That makes a total of 18. getting very discourage about growing.i guess i'll try hydro and a freezer.the document that i read said lower temp i wandering if that will be low enough......chuck
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
hay man dont get discouraged.

heres the strains you need to buy

PlanetSkunk [ Superior Genetics - Worldwide Delivery ]

PlanetSkunk [ Superior Genetics - Worldwide Delivery ]


i have had exspirence with both..60/40 female/male

with these seeds you have a 60% chance of em being female.


this is your best bet without buying 100% female seeds which are very exspensive
What makes you believe this? What leads you to believe that anybody can predict what male and female ratios there will be in any seed batch?
I'd love to hear how you know this.
 

potroast

Uses the Rollitup profile
Well, I'd say that many males might point to something else, probably something that you are doing. Why don't you let us see if we can get to the bottom of this? Tell us all of your procedures, and maybe we'll find something that you are doing to cause this.

One thing that I believe is with seedlings, you must give the plant at least 6 inches of medium right after germination because the tap root grows downward very quickly, and if you impede that downward growth, the plant may sense that things are crowded, and decide to show male flowers.

HTH :mrgreen:
 

budman56

Well-Known Member
Also, weak light and other stresses can cause more males as they sense the problems and try to ensure survival by making sure there are lots of male pollens
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
Also, weak light and other stresses can cause more males as they sense the problems and try to ensure survival by making sure there are lots of male pollens
Ok, I love this debate. Plants sense the problems and think about death do they? Yet they still make it through till the end? How does the plant manage this, while at the same time produce more males? Also what proof is there to suggest this happens?

Thankyou, you've reminded me of a thread I need to start.
 

email468

Well-Known Member
Don't give up! While I'll admit, your run of bad luck getting males lasted longer than mine (nearly a dozen males before a female showed up - and then went hermie on me).

my solution was to get rid of the 50W HID and get "real" light and a decent hydro system and never looked back. males still show up but no where near the way they used to.

So my advice is to:
1) Hang in there and don't get too discouraged
2) make sure you have enough smoke to get you through the next six months
3) examine your grow room - or better yet - post the details in the grow room section to see other growers opinions.
4) Revisit numbers 1 and 2 :-)
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
Don't give up! While I'll admit, your run of bad luck getting males lasted longer than mine (nearly a dozen males before a female showed up - and then went hermie on me).

my solution was to get rid of the 50W HID and get "real" light and a decent hydro system and never looked back. males still show up but no where near the way they used to.

So my advice is to:
1) Hang in there and don't get too discouraged
2) make sure you have enough smoke to get you through the next six months
3) examine your grow room - or better yet - post the details in the grow room section to see other growers opinions.
4) Revisit numbers 1 and 2 :-)
You might enjoy this thread... it goes deeper into the effects of environment on plant sexuality.

https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/36597-seed-predisposition.html
 

email468

Well-Known Member
That is the start of a good thread skunkushybrid - thank you. I am nowhere near knowledgeable enough in botany or genetics (or even biology) to make any kind of insightful comment on seed predisposition.

I have noticed the following though:
1) under crappy lights i get more males/hermies
2) there doesn't appear to be any difference in the male/female ratio between bag seeds that i've used and bought seeds.
3) there does seem to be a significantly higher ratio of females to males when i use "feminized" seeds - though admittedly my sample size is still too small to be statistically significant.
 

thcisme

New Member
From literature it appears that the growth of a male or female plant from seed, except for the predisposition in the gender chromosomes, also depends on various environmental factors. For growers who are well experienced, percentage of female plants is 60% - 90% female, but less experienced growers can end up with 100% male plants. The environmental factors that, according to literature, influence gender are:
- a higher nitrogen concentration will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- a higher potassium concentration will give more males (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- a higher humidity will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- a lower temperature will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- more blue light will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- Fewer hours of light will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- In later stage, as you increase the light, the plants grow faster and show more females/less males. Sixteen hours of light per day seems to be the best combination, beyond this makes little or no appreciable difference in the plant quality.
- Another idea is to interrupt the night cycle with about one hour of light. This gives you more females.
- Spray dilute Fish Emulsion ( 1 tablespoon per gallon ). When the plants have three sets of true leaves, plus the top sprout, give them a wetting spray of Fish Emulsion. Do it once a day for three of four days. Top and bottom of the leaves.
- To achieve 100% female plants is to expose young seedlings for several hours to an atmosphere of Carbon Monoxide. It doesn't hurt the plants, but it could kill you.
- Treatment of hempseed with ethylene gas will increase the resulting number of female plants by about 50%. Ethylene is produced by certain plants (i.e., bananas, cucumbers and melons), and these can be used to treat hempseed in a simple manner. About two weeks before you plan to sprout the seeds, place them in a paper bag or envelope and put that in a plastic bag with the peels of a ripening banana or cucumber. Replace the peels after a couple of days, and change the bags to prevent mold.
- When hempseed is treated with the female hormone estrogen, percentage of females that are produced will increase by about 10%. Dissolve a birth control pill in water and soak the seeds overnight in the solution. After the initial soaking, continue to treat the seeds by sprouting them on a paper towel soaked in the solution.
 

thcisme

New Member
I soaked all my seeds in birth control pills to test it, too early to say if it's worked yet because ive only planted them yesterday anyway hope it helps, later
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
From literature it appears that the growth of a male or female plant from seed, except for the predisposition in the gender chromosomes, also depends on various environmental factors. For growers who are well experienced, percentage of female plants is 60% - 90% female, but less experienced growers can end up with 100% male plants. The environmental factors that, according to literature, influence gender are:
- a higher nitrogen concentration will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- a higher potassium concentration will give more males (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- a higher humidity will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- a lower temperature will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- more blue light will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- Fewer hours of light will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- In later stage, as you increase the light, the plants grow faster and show more females/less males. Sixteen hours of light per day seems to be the best combination, beyond this makes little or no appreciable difference in the plant quality.
- Another idea is to interrupt the night cycle with about one hour of light. This gives you more females.
- Spray dilute Fish Emulsion ( 1 tablespoon per gallon ). When the plants have three sets of true leaves, plus the top sprout, give them a wetting spray of Fish Emulsion. Do it once a day for three of four days. Top and bottom of the leaves.
- To achieve 100% female plants is to expose young seedlings for several hours to an atmosphere of Carbon Monoxide. It doesn't hurt the plants, but it could kill you.
- Treatment of hempseed with ethylene gas will increase the resulting number of female plants by about 50%. Ethylene is produced by certain plants (i.e., bananas, cucumbers and melons), and these can be used to treat hempseed in a simple manner. About two weeks before you plan to sprout the seeds, place them in a paper bag or envelope and put that in a plastic bag with the peels of a ripening banana or cucumber. Replace the peels after a couple of days, and change the bags to prevent mold.
- When hempseed is treated with the female hormone estrogen, percentage of females that are produced will increase by about 10%. Dissolve a birth control pill in water and soak the seeds overnight in the solution. After the initial soaking, continue to treat the seeds by sprouting them on a paper towel soaked in the solution.
This is the bullshit I'm talking about. Visit my link.
 

email468

Well-Known Member
Damn it! If it were legal everywhere we could actually have real scientists submitting to peer-reviewed journals publishing real evidence. i'll say it again... damn it!
 

RaStAroots420

Active Member
is it possible to sex my plants bfore they go into flowering. 've 5 week old ladies and they are looking vivid and wobderful in my eyes. i've never sexed a plant but i know what to look for but i haven't seen any male or female flowers yet. is it just too early or do i have to flower them before i can tell the sex???


thanks for any help
Rasta Roots
 

email468

Well-Known Member
is it possible to sex my plants bfore they go into flowering. 've 5 week old ladies and they are looking vivid and wobderful in my eyes. i've never sexed a plant but i know what to look for but i haven't seen any male or female flowers yet. is it just too early or do i have to flower them before i can tell the sex???


thanks for any help
Rasta Roots
I know of no way to sex them before going 12/12 (unless they pre-flower and show their sex).
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
is it possible to sex my plants bfore they go into flowering. 've 5 week old ladies and they are looking vivid and wobderful in my eyes. i've never sexed a plant but i know what to look for but i haven't seen any male or female flowers yet. is it just too early or do i have to flower them before i can tell the sex???


thanks for any help
Rasta Roots
All plants will preflower in veg' eventually. Expect to wait between 4-8 weeks of veg' dependent upon light schedule used.
 

RaStAroots420

Active Member
i've been giving them about 20 or 21 hours of light because i read that it increases growth 15 to 30%. so i changed my light to 18hours of light and tomorrow 16 hours. i think this may help them to pre flower. correct me if i'm wrong.
thanks for the help.
rasta roots
 

jackinthebox

Well-Known Member
i've been giving them about 20 or 21 hours of light because i read that it increases growth 15 to 30%. so i changed my light to 18hours of light and tomorrow 16 hours. i think this may help them to pre flower. correct me if i'm wrong.
thanks for the help.
rasta roots
I am just curious, where did you get the information that 20-21 hours of light increases growth 15-30%?

Also I dont think changeing the light to 16 hours will help show pre flowers, the plant will show you its goods, when its ready = ), however you can use a method I like to call Roofies. = 0

Goodluck matie <3
 
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