Please count from flip!!!
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What preheats faster gas or electric? If you keep opening the oven door every 2 minutes to see if it's done, does that let heat out making for a longer cook time?
When you're comparing grows are you finding growers who are growing the same strain, same phenotype, under the same lights, same method, same temps, same nutes, or same size pots? Probably not. There are hundreds of variables so unless you match them all a few days of "flip time" doesn't mean much.
If you and I both drove the same car with same gas and traveled the same distance everyday doesn't mean we'd get the same gas mileage. To many variables.
HighRoller702
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What you don't understand is im talking about time. Who care what nutes, lights, etc. If we are driving this car and we leave at the same TIME we can have a better understanding why one of us got to our destination faster. Does that make sense?
Olive Drab Green
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Kingrow1
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I have a short veg, from flipping the lights to the first day i notice a flush of flowers can be a week or two, maybe if i vegged longer it would be days not weeks. Either way from first flowers hits strain guide quite well, if i add the flip its impossible.
My plants can't tell time or count days read a calendar non of that shit. Do you understand you could grow 10 seeds of the same strain, they're not all gonna look the same, finish the same or yield the same. What you don't seem to understand is TIME means nothing, it's influenced by the conditions it's grown in, experience of the grower and hundred other things that can lengthen flowering times. Do you think all plants are gonna finish or look the same based on time? Pretend your plants are the same age as whoever you're comparing them to if it makes you feel better. Maybe after a few grows you'll understand how useless counting days is.
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Jeffro420
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Everyone saying I start the count when I see pistols. Well I see pistols sometimes before I flip to 1212. I always count from the day turned to 1212. If you are running seeds or different strains some may show pistols sooner than others even though they have all been on 1212 for 6 days.
OldMedUser
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Wow this thread sure went off the rails.
If everyone picks the day of flipping to flower as the start of flowering then we have a distinct starting point. Starting from when you first see flowers is way too subjective to have any real meaning. Might be cooler next time and delay flower a few days or warmer and they pop out sooner. Got nothing to do with the breeders stated flowering times or when it's time to harvest or any of that other BS.
Then YOU know how many days since the flip it took for that particular plant/strain to get to the finish line. If you are growing from clones then you can be pretty sure that each one you grow in the next run will be done about the same # of days.
It follows more of a scientific and exact measurement of your flowering time and gives a distinct starting point for comparison.
If everyone picks the day of flipping to flower as the start of flowering then we have a distinct starting point. Starting from when you first see flowers is way too subjective to have any real meaning. Might be cooler next time and delay flower a few days or warmer and they pop out sooner. Got nothing to do with the breeders stated flowering times or when it's time to harvest or any of that other BS.
Then YOU know how many days since the flip it took for that particular plant/strain to get to the finish line. If you are growing from clones then you can be pretty sure that each one you grow in the next run will be done about the same # of days.
It follows more of a scientific and exact measurement of your flowering time and gives a distinct starting point for comparison.
HighRoller702
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Wow this is frustrating. I'm not sure why this concept is so hard. It's so people can compare! If I have Sour Diesel at three weeks in flower and I want to compare that to someone else's Sour Diesel at three weeks then I can. But if you count differently then it just creates confusion. I'm not talking about when they finish! How can I pretend my plants are the same age as someone else?
Kingrow1
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Why people often tell you how long the flip period was so you can work out both ways and make your comparison...
Lordhooha
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Right MOST of us on here give pretty detailed information on our grow including when we switched to everything. Also @HighRoller702 @KryptoBud said there are far too many variations to setups and grow styles. My plants and your or quite frankly any of our grows are going to be vastly different. Say we're comparing my sour diesel to yours, but I use 10 gallon clothe pots and you use 3 gallon plastic pots, and I run 6000 watts of LEDs and you use one 600 watt hps. Those two things hell just the pots themselves being different will be in two different animals. Even by your logic say I start my count when I flip but we got our seeds from two different breeders those plants most likely won't have the same genetic makeup or phenotype which will further skew what we see when compared to each other.
HighRoller702
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I wouldn't compare my grow to yours if I was using a 3 gallon and you used a 10 gallon. 600w compared to 1000w etc. I'd look for someone with similar variables. You know what, those numbers are finite!! 10 compared to 10 and 600 compared to 600!! When I google shit and I look for a 10 gallon I don't find someone who fills a 10 gallon pot with 5 gallons of soil. Do you get it now? I'll say it again. It's about comparisons. When I google three weeks of flower I get plants that are five weeks from flip or three etc. This creates confusion throughout the community.
How many people do you think are growing the same strain, same size pot's, same medium, same lighting, same veg time, experience level or a hundred other variables on this or any other forum? Good luck finding one, you'd have a better chance winning the lottery. You're hung up on one minor detail as if that's all that matters. Make a thread with all your details and if someone answers you can ask if they count from pistils or from flip so you'll have an even comparison. Happy growin
Kingrow1
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I wish all search criteria were so strictly regimented but it isnt and people that take the time to document anything are under no obligation to conform to anyone elses standard...
HighRoller702
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I come from a science background. So, in science you don't decide when the hell you want to count. Everyone is on the same page.
hellmutt bones
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Oh and another thing.. always wear your wifes or mothers high heels when you trim... makes for bigger and tighter buds..
HighRoller702
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You're retarded. Sorry, not sorry.
ismann
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Not to mention, everyone's finishing time is different too. Some like to pull right at 8 weeks regardless of trichs, some like to pull at 10% amber, some like 50% amber and I'm sure there are masochists out there who just smoke clear trichs...
Best way to learn about your grow is to make hash. Your different micron yields will tell you all you need to know about your grows. For example, if you have a lot of tiny trichs, then you probably pulled too early. Lots of 90u and 73u = good shit. If you get nothing in 160u and a lot in 25u, pulled too early.
Best way to learn about your grow is to make hash. Your different micron yields will tell you all you need to know about your grows. For example, if you have a lot of tiny trichs, then you probably pulled too early. Lots of 90u and 73u = good shit. If you get nothing in 160u and a lot in 25u, pulled too early.
Odin*
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Some people don't start keeping track of birthdays until they feel that they are old enough for it to matter and have achieved certain milestones...
For some, that could be the age of 16 and getting their first car. Others, 18, when they could buy a pack of smokes, a lottery ticket, and vote. Still more, 21, and their first legally purchased beer. Cross the pond, and a 12 year old child is on par with someone getting their beer at 21. What about the "40 year old virgins", infants in comparison to the rest. Then there's that rare 9 year old sporting a "Magnum P.I." mustache that knocked up his babysitter, had a smoke and scotch (neat) right after.
Lastly, there's those weirdos that insist on going by their date of birth. Freaks.
The "universal" point of reference for the start of bloom is the first night/lights out period that reaches that critical dark period that is the catalyst to bloom. That first "day" after there are visible signs that your plant is now "flowering". No, you do not have a "flower" on that first day, nor do you have a "finished" bud 1, 2, 3 weeks later. So, "flower" begins when the plant is using energy to "flower", which happens when you expose it to a sufficient duration of darkness in an effort to start "flowering".
Now, I'm not trying to impose this on anybody, count your days, weeks, don't count, whatever. Just stating this is an objective point of reference, everything else is subjective.
I go by "day 1" because I have kept meticulous notes over the years and I can recreate the exact same results, consistently. There are certain things that I do at particular times in bloom, guesswork and supposition are not a part of that equation.
"Flowering hormone" does not need "3 days" (as someone stated). The plant begins using energy to produce flowers immediately upon reaching that critical duration of "darkness". The yellowing at each bud site after your "flip" is due to the plant utilizing local nutrients (at each bud site) to produce flowers.
For some, that could be the age of 16 and getting their first car. Others, 18, when they could buy a pack of smokes, a lottery ticket, and vote. Still more, 21, and their first legally purchased beer. Cross the pond, and a 12 year old child is on par with someone getting their beer at 21. What about the "40 year old virgins", infants in comparison to the rest. Then there's that rare 9 year old sporting a "Magnum P.I." mustache that knocked up his babysitter, had a smoke and scotch (neat) right after.
Lastly, there's those weirdos that insist on going by their date of birth. Freaks.
The "universal" point of reference for the start of bloom is the first night/lights out period that reaches that critical dark period that is the catalyst to bloom. That first "day" after there are visible signs that your plant is now "flowering". No, you do not have a "flower" on that first day, nor do you have a "finished" bud 1, 2, 3 weeks later. So, "flower" begins when the plant is using energy to "flower", which happens when you expose it to a sufficient duration of darkness in an effort to start "flowering".
Now, I'm not trying to impose this on anybody, count your days, weeks, don't count, whatever. Just stating this is an objective point of reference, everything else is subjective.
I go by "day 1" because I have kept meticulous notes over the years and I can recreate the exact same results, consistently. There are certain things that I do at particular times in bloom, guesswork and supposition are not a part of that equation.
"Flowering hormone" does not need "3 days" (as someone stated). The plant begins using energy to produce flowers immediately upon reaching that critical duration of "darkness". The yellowing at each bud site after your "flip" is due to the plant utilizing local nutrients (at each bud site) to produce flowers.