Please help diagnosing this problem - Tangerine Dream looking pale and droopy

Looks like a lack of water. If you're ever unsure if it needs water then use about a cup or two of water. If your plant perks up within an hour then watering is your answer.

This is the GH nutes chart. When I said "full strength," I just meant the numbers that are shown on the chart. I assumed that after being in the Ocean Forest for a while and reaching a certain age, it would be time for full strength nutes.

http://www.generalhydroponics.com/site/gh/docs/feeding_sched/GH-FloraSeries-DTW-Charts.pdf

But, ugh, electric heater on all the time? Still scares me, but perhaps my fears are unfounded.

jerichojews said:

This is the GH nutes chart. When I said "full strength," I just meant the numbers that are shown on the chart. I assumed that after being in the Ocean Forest for a while and reaching a certain age, it would be time for full strength nutes.

http://www.generalhydroponics.com/site/gh/docs/feeding_sched/GH-FloraSeries-DTW-Charts.pdf

But, ugh, electric heater on all the time? Still scares me, but perhaps my fears are unfounded.

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Ya, those oil filled heaters are solid. Watering doesn't change a thing right? As long as your sure your not over or underwatering I'd go pick up a heater, also try just feeding straight H2O next watering to try to fix. If its salt build up the water should help, if its under-watering then a watering will fix rapidly. Other than that I'm stumped so best of luck.

Is it happening with the beginning of lights on, or after some hours ?
Looks like Your roots are not getting enough o2 for some reason.

Hey found a thread that a guy has what looks like close to the same problem as you, some good info from real experienced grower helped him sort it out.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=243555

Thanks! I'll check it out.

Tangerine dream is a big feeder/yielder, likes 6.5pH soil. Your plants lack the nitrogen they need for early stretch and the leaves are soft- curling and limp looking which is a combo of wrong (prob too high) pH and poor O2 at the roots. Drop pH add N and pinch vit c at next watering...good luck man shes a sweet smoke

To get more O2 at the roots, is that what hydrogren peroxide is for?

H2o2 kills everything in there , including good and bad bacteria.
Then it dissolves to h2o and o. Water and oxygene.

Sounds like the cure is worse than the disease. Is there a gentler method of delivering oxygen to the roots?

jerichojews said:

Sounds like the cure is worse than the disease. Is there a gentler method of delivering oxygen to the roots?

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Let's start with the basics which some have already mentioned. Plants don't like wet/dry cycles, see my tweaks thread in Advanced. You have a lot of foliage and roots that are growing out the drainholes. This suggests a robust, healthy mass of foliage and roots which is rapidly wicking moisture from the soil. That's a good thing. With 3 - 5 gallon pots, I had to water adults at least twice a day with one quart each round just to keep them properly moist. That was under HID's with fairly warm temps though.....makes a difference. Water well, lift the pot and make a mental note of its weight. Water again when it feels light to the lift but not before the soil pulls away from the sides of the pot. With the mass of foliage you have it's next to impossible to over water. Mileage will vary with cold temps like I said as transpiration is slowed down considerably.

You're using cannabis specific foods which are notorious for having NPK values way out of whack. You have some chlorosis and leaf yellowing going on there, suggesting you've gone to a bloom food or a series of foods which have low N. High P foods induce micro deficiencies.

Unless you have a pale yellow chlorosis going on a the lower levels, DO NOT foliar spray with epsom salts as suggested as you may induce another nutrient lockout. The first thing a noob hollers to another is "give them epsom salts" and "pH your water." You need not do either under typical conditions. Again, see my tweeks and read this - http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm

Don't apply H2O2.

Good luck,
UB

Hello to all.....

I am new to this site and joined mainly due to the bad temper my girls have, as I am growing a new strain that I have never tried b4 "TD". I am 3weeks in, 4 weeks if you count germination. I had some nute probs at 1st, my own fault for not using a correct combo of nutes, that issue has now been fixed. I am doing a DWC grow and it has been 2days now since a fresh water change. This morning when I checkd on my girls, I noticed the exact same thing you have described, my girls are drooping and look very similar to how your girls are drooping in the pics you've shared. My water temp is currently at 71 as it reaches its highest peak by mid day. Room temp is currently at 78 and my water is at 5.8PH.

I am at a loss as to why they are drooping, both yours and mine.... I wanna say the strain itself is just tempermental, yet I am reluctant believe that. As I believe so long as you give your girls what they ask for, they should remain happy.

If ya figure it out, be sure to share your findings....

Thx & Good Luck!!!

That is overwatering.

Your roots are not getting enough O2

Take pot and bang the sides ( with hammer ) to break up any funky clumps. It's not going to hurt it. Do it everyday...
Dropping from a low height onto a concrete floor

You can also take a thin bamboo rod and poke 4 holes all the way to the bottom of the pot, one on each cardinal side. Round out holes with stick so they stay open and clear.

Depending on size of pot and bamboo rod you can add more or less...this just allows the soil mid pot to dry out faster.
You will loose some roots but better then everything. Put bamboo rod in the holes while watering so they stay clear and you don't need to make new ones.

Also you can add more holes to the pot itself, bottom and sides.

Are you also getting pale leaves, red stems or leaf veins and slow growth ? If so...overwatering.

It also may be root bound.

Regardless you need to get more oxygen to those roots.