Please help!! Struggling seedlings!!

twokhps

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i have 4 dinafem blue widow and one green house seeds "the church". they were germinated in rockwool and have now been in a miracle grow and perlite mix for 12 days. they have been getting progressively more yellow and a couple have started to deform. i was watering with pH 5.8 until i heard it sould be higher and they now have one watering with 6.5 pH RO water. not sure what to do i hope someone can identify my problem. PLEASE HELP IF YOU CAN!! CANT AFFORD ANY LOSSES!! :shock:

here are the pictures, youll notice the irregular leaf formation in a couple of them
 

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darkdestruction420

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No offense to you but I dont get how some guys can go and order/invest in seeds and then not do any research or anything before starting. Thats what your problem is.
How far is the light and what kind? how often and how much are you watering? what are your temps at? you didnt try to feed it or anything did you? do you have a fan blowing air on the plants? Miracle grow should not be used to grow marijuana, its infamous for fucking up many a plant. An experienced grower might be able to get away with it but you gotta know what your doing very well and even then its only usable and not very good.
 

darkdestruction420

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You there? lol, I didnt mean that in an offensive way or anything. I want to help you figure out what your doing wrong (and what your doing right), otherwise i wouldnt of bothered asking so many questions on your grow and stuff.
 

adman777

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It either looks like you burned them with nutes, even if you didnt feed them any thing miracle grow has nutes already packed in it. If its not that it looks like your overwatering them...Quick tip here, with plants that small still only water when the soil looks dry. The key is to let it dry so that oxtgen can reach the roots and then water. You could be drowning your babies...
 

smallclosetgrowr

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miracle grow + noobs =nute burn. miracle grow has a 3 month feed in the soil, everytime u water your releasing the nutrients.its called slow control released fertilzer they are dissolved by heat/water. i would by some seedling soil and transplant asap ..none of the 3-6 month feed shit.or just stop watering so often and let them turn around but i doubt they will in that soil now.
 

Anonymouse

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This site and youtube are some of your best resources, I read over and over and over again before ordering my first seed.

Though a little dated, google 'I grow chronic mr green' and watch his video, an easy and great introduction. Don't take advice from some yahoo working at homodepot or lowes :)
 

gloomysmokes707

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get fox farms ocean forest... or happy frog soil... water just enough to get through the day... i dont do lights tho so nothing there...lol ...sorry ...actually miracle grow has a WONDERFUL seedling starter mix that doesnt have those nutrients that the potting soil for that brand does.... to me ...the only way ill sprout a seed.
 

bud nugbong

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ive used miracle gro shit too and i can say DONT FEED UNTILL THEY ASK, i always waited untill the bottom leaves started to turn yellow then i would start w/ a low dose. the only bad thing is if you go to transplant into some more MG youve got more slow release in there. MG can be used but its a bitch.

and i recently bought some of the cheapest bag soil the store had and that was a mistake, shit had weeds coming out of it and the topsoil would harden up like concrete. you get what you pay for when it comes to your soils, so go with what these guys said and get some foxfarm or something along those lines.
 

mydixiewrecked

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another thing to look at is your ph, it is very hard to ph r/o water cause there is no buffer in there.
if you can aerate the water for a day, then ph it, you'll have better results.
 

twokhps

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damn it looks like i need to check my threads more often. thanks everyone. no offense taken like you said dark destruction i didnt do the necessary research before starting this way cause i had to change plans...wouldnt have made the investment if i just wanted to kill some plants. i was expecting about 20 more seeds so now i have to grow these into mothers and i wanted to do it in soil so i dont have to run my 21 site aero system for 5 girls. from what all of you and my mmj grower buddy said they were getting burnt to shit in that potent ass MG mix, so i took some emergency action. i have limited resources here for a while but today i sprayed 'em down with a coat of vita grow and transplanted them into straight perlite (did my best to get all the soil off the roots) in some foam cups and poked some drainage holes. watered them with some 5.8 RO water that i did my best to aerate and put the 4 foot tube fluoros back above them. never gave them any food, there is a ceiling fan that is always on but not one just for the plants (other than when i fucked up and put them in miracle gro). ill post some pics in a few..
 

twokhps

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IMG_4038.jpgIMG_4035.jpgIMG_4036.jpgIMG_4033.jpghere we go. temps stay in the lower 70's. light is close as fuck as you can see. any suggestions in general? and more specificially, how much and often should i now be watering these ladies? IMG_4034.jpg---and in that last post i meant that i have never given them any food except when i fucked up and put them in MG---IMG_4037.jpg
 

adman777

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Good stuff man, hope moving them doesnt send a huge shock through them.... if it doesnt you should be smooth sailing
 

cruzer101

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Sounds like you are on the right track, getting out of the soil as fast as you did.
Personally I would back the lights to about 4 inches away and water one corner of the rock wool once a day with R/O ph at 5.8 and no nutrients at all.

After the next set of leaves form and they start turning light green then add 1/4 of whats recommended, stay there for a week then go half. continue at half strength until you got 5 or 6 nodes then try a bit more. I never go full strength and have had over a dozen harvests.
 

adman777

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Listen to this dude cuz I may sound like I know what i am talking about but I am only in the middle of my first grow
 

gobbly

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I would avoid any soil which has fertilizer in it. Anything that says it provides a certain time you don't need to feed, anything like that. The downside is that stuff that isn't naturally in dirt is something you now have to add, upside is you know exactly what is going on. In fact, your best bet is to mix your own soil. Takes a little research (ph test sterilized soul brands, etc), but the results are better.

another thing to look at is your ph, it is very hard to ph r/o water cause there is no buffer in there.
if you can aerate the water for a day, then ph it, you'll have better results.
I had to overcome issues with using RO/DI water, and you might check your tap water, because RO/DI gives you a bit to overcome. Realize I'm getting 0 tds out of it, which sometimes I don't even see in distilled. At 0 tds you sit right at 7. Changing the ph is as simple as adding an acid or base, there is nothing already there to change things. If it's in sealed containers you don't even end up with much co2, so it really is quite stable while mixing/watering. You will need to add more nutes as well, and possibly more often. Tap water often has lots of phosphates, some nitrates, and a lot of micro-nutes like iron, mag, and the like (varies a lot though, you can usually call the water company and have them send you a breakdown).

The most important thing I found using RO/DI was that my soil really was the foundation of my plant, more so than any other experience with plants. I spent huge chunks of time researching soil, additives, nutes, and ph. Now I mix all my own soil blends based on the what is needed for the brands I get. I also use several additives when watering. I try to stay organic (rational being that there are going to be more impurities of micro nutes in organics), though I am not strict about it.
 

twokhps

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adman, yeah dude im hoping that vita grow will help with the shock (that shit works magic for clones btw everyone), cruzer good advice man i feel better with that light lifted a little bit and i got a gallon of 5.8 on standby. and thanks gobbly, some good info there. i need to get comfortable with this soil business so i can keep a nice clone supply line. got some tips for me on keeping mother plants?
 

cruzer101

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The most common mistake new growers have is they overwater rock wool cubes. By watering the top corner of a cube with say, a tablespoon of water once a day that will not happen as one side will stay fairly dry. Consider the size of the root system.and you will be fine. The second mistake most new growers make is with nutrients. seedlings have enough stored nutrients for the first couple weeks of there life and lots of people start feeding too soon and burn them. Rule of thumb is, if its green water it, if its light green feed it. Most seedling wont need feed for three weeks or so.
 

newb weed grower

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i dont know if its been said yet but umm isnt mg a bad way to start with a small one i mean u dont wanna use it right guys im sure super kitty can answer this is always very helpfull
 
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