Please help

This is Amber (critical). I have her in ffof under 150hps to start. Also have a northern storm with the same condition and symptom. Please help. Thanks in advamce!

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FFOF is too hot of a soil to start seeds in. They will either grow through the burn and be okay or they will die. Most likely the the former if you do not compound issues by adding fertilizer. Next time start them off in a low nute starter soil and transplant into the FFOF when they get bigger.

yep bugeye got you pretty much covered here. nitrogen burn from N-rich soil. they'll pull through.
be easy,

Thank you for such a rapid response. I thought that's what it was but I wanted to be sure. This is my second go around. First was an afghan kush same setup only I finish under a 1000w hps. She just out grew her space and I had NO WHERE to put her. That was a sad sad day getting rid of her... 4 weeks into flowering she filled a 50 gallon grow bag and out grew my only space. so my goal this time is to keep them small enough to fit in my 3x4 tent but they can't die on me yet!

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ff is too hot. try running some water through it.

That's all I've been doing is flushing with straight ph adjusted H2O. Now that question leads to this one: when will I know to start feeding before it's too late. All this water will flush all my nutes won't it?

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And thanks again for all the response guys. I've tried forums in the past and everyone is so hostile. It's almost intimidating. I genuinely appreciate the hospitality.

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icerasta145 said:

That's all I've been doing is flushing with straight ph adjusted H2O. Now that question leads to this one: when will I know to start feeding before it's too late. All this water will flush all my nutes won't it?

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Well, you didn't add nutes yet, right? So the nutrients are the organic nutrients available in the soil. I would recommend watering with dechlorinated tap water when your plant needs it, but there's not sense in trying to "flush" something that isn't there. That being said, FFOF generally has enough food for 2-4weeks of vegetative growth depending on genetics, size, environment. If you're going to use synthetic ferts, then you will want to get into flushing techniques to purge accumulated salts; if you go organic then it will be dechlorinated tap water only, but you will have to amend your soil appropriately (top dressing with bat guano, alfalfa meal, organic goodies that have the things your girls need, for example). At this point, you could build some supersoil and get it "cooking" so it's ready to be your soil after you transplant for flower, or you could plan on amending your ffof and using aact and nutrient teas. Its up to you!
be easy,
best of luck,

Listen to Dr.J he's a guru. Agreed, forget flushing. The last thing you want to do right now is over water, that WILL be the death of them.

Hamish, thanks for the compliment, i'm no guru though! the experts bumble about in the organics forum, i owe it all to their generous direction!
be easy, and best of luck icerasta!

I am truly a noob with lots of potential. I am doing all organic so with the soil I have just sprink with some guano in the next few days and continue as planned? I don't transplant ever. I use progressively larger coir cups till they reach there end bag.

icerasta145 said:

I am truly a noob with lots of potential. I am doing all organic so with the soil I have just sprink with some guano in the next few days and continue as planned? I don't transplant ever. I use progressively larger coir cups till they reach there end bag.

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you do transplant. you just do it in a way that is lower stress. You place a smaller coir cup in a larger one--that's a transplant. you eventually finish in a grow bag, right? do you transplant into your final container before flowering? if not, seriously consider making sure your in your final bag before you switch to 12/12 for reduced stress.
Now, as for top-dressing, you'll want to be careful what you use and when you use it. If you're going for a more "water only" setup, consider reading up on subcool's supersoil. I personally like teas more than topdressing, but its legit a straightup preference--i just really enjoy brewing teas! haha;
anywho the most important advice to give is reading lowenfels' Teaming with Microbes. then you'll be able to decide what amendments to add to your soil based on what your plant tells you it needs.
don't forget, the organic naysayers are technically correct when they say that plants just need their NPK-micros so you are trying to build a soil that will have the potential to make available all of those goodies (instead of just forcefeeding salt based synthetically produced versions). so you look at what's in the organic material you're adding, what it can be broken down into and fed to the plants by the microbe herd you build, the micro-soil-ecosystme. So, it's the way you're making nutrients available that is what's different, and, in my and many other people's opinion, better than sythetic ferts.
pop on over to the organics forum and get your read on homie!
be easy,

You were just told that your soil is too hot and you ask if you should sprinkle some guano on it??? Show us some of your potential and think that through a little better.

Moving to a larger coir cup is the same thing as transplanting. You are moving to fresh dirt. Whenever you move the plant into fresh dirt you have another month or so of not needing to give additional nutes.

I asked WHEN I needed to do that bugeye. My first grow I filled a 3x4 tent in a 50 gallon grow bag with no experience. I'm told that's potential. I wasn't being arrogant. I was asking for advise. Those types of comments are what push me away from forums. You didn't read my entire question. I asked when I'd know to do so and if that was the solution. And J thanks for the direction I'll begin reading immediately. I've done tons of research but you get so many different pov's I never know what to do.

And I also apologize for the confusion on the terminology I was told that since I don't take the plan out of one cup and put it into another that it wasn't transplanting. They said I'm just letting the roots grow from one cup through to the next one until it reaches its final grow back in that sense I'm not actually removing it from the medium it's not technically a transplant. So my mistake and terminology.

In post #11 you asked if you should put guano on them in the next few days. Pretty sure I read that correct. Toughen up a little.

I just saw it was the lag of the posts. Miscommunication. I do appreciate the help though. Now if I start in rockwool, will the seed sustain itself till the roots grow through to the soil(and nutes. Which I don't add till like week 3.)? If that makes sense.

A seedling can go about two weeks from time it pops until it needs nutrients. They will do better if thewater source has a little cal/mag and if you are using tap water it has enough. If you start them in small rockwool cubes, the roots will easily get into the soil in just a couple days and get the nutrition they need.

The only mistake you made on this grow was starting them in FFOF. Just start them in a starter mix next time and they will do great. I would then go to 50/50 mix of starter mix and FFOF on first transplant and full strength FFOF on the third transplant. You won't start adding nutes until about a month after last transplant.

i mean, you can start in rockwool if you want to for some reason, but you can also just start in a cup of seed starting soil; if you're not doing any hydro then the rockwool seems a waste of dough in my opinion. the seed can get itself through its cotyledons but pretty soon after that (maybe 2nd set trues?) they'll want some food to start the veg period. I know very little about rockwool though, so you're going to want other people's opinon. Some people soak rapid rooters in a light veg. solution so they can let their plants get going before popping the rooter into soil, but I like to minimize transplanting as much as possible so i start in a party cup with good seed starting mix, go to a veg container--2L-1gal--then its into a 5gal smartpot for final home. in the past, when i was doing hempy, i started seeds using DocBud's method: a party cup size hempy with all perlite up to the drain hole, then a 50:50 perlite:ffof mix, then 1/4" of ffof on top to provide a dark, moist layer to let the seed get its start. FFOF on its own is too hot, but cut that much with perlite seems to be fine.

side note: you ask questions on a forum to get a plethora of pov. don't just do something because someone told you to. do it because you look into it after receiving the advice and it makes sense to you. now, nothing (or everything, depending on what kind of person you are) will "make sense to you" if you don't have a solid base knowledge from whence to adjudicate advice. So, while i can understand why POVs could get confusing, you shouldn't be relying solely on them. If something doesn't make sense look it up. if the data you find doesn't clarify, ask the all important "WHY". if your adviser can't explain the WHY of his or her advice (or at least point you in the direction of where to find the info you need) it's likely he or she is just passing along something that worked for them but they have no clue why. Look at FIM for a prime example of this. People do it, and some get some success, but no one really knows why it works(or doesn't work, as the case may be). Its a huge quasi-myth.
best of luck,
be easy,

Bugeye, I apologize again for the miscommunication but both of you thank you so much. You have both given me more help than my local shop. I'll be sure to keep coming back if you guys don't mind helping through this grow. I'm a fast learner, I just have to be shown something not read it. So some guidance along the way will help a lot more than a website that can't talk back.