zapfaustin
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Please help. My plants are drooping and dying and I dont know why. I let them dry thinking i was overwatering but when i watered it seemed like the started drooping even more.
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Arnski5000
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Quick observation and my opinion is not enough light the one in middle looks to be flowering a lot more than others. How far in and what your setup is would be good
Dalek Supreme
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More more more details.
mustbetribbin
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Hi @zapfaustin,
This is kind of the direct truth of the matter, They need an extra alternate light source to really flourish, the light you have above them is a blurple light, red + blue only, you need to add green/yellow/orange to the mix, a few cfls (2700k-3500k for flower) would help get you by until you can invest in a better setup up or whatever, but the need for supplemental lighting with Blurples it is definitely necessary, those lights only cover parts of the spectrum, it's best to balance out the light that has been designed disproportionatly by faulty Human Intel/science that has now been disproven, and the entire industry is currently changing towards white light again, which has green/yellow/orange covered for the most part.
Even a simple incandescent bulb would benefit a blurple light under these terms.
Also I think over watering is a great possibility under the blurple lights, the plant is not receiving adequate light spectrum/saturation in order to complete it's process of photosynthesis and has less ability to transpire and breathe, I would definitely hold back on watering until you can add a few lights in there, the blurple light is still LED technology also, LED grown plants are known to consume slightly less water in soil, than with other light sources such as HPS, this could start to change with the newly developed IR diodes that the are now coming equipped on the newer LED grow light platforms and such, but most soil grows that use LED as the main light source will consume slightly less h2o as mentioned above.
Besides the lighting what type of soil mix are you running?
This is kind of the direct truth of the matter, They need an extra alternate light source to really flourish, the light you have above them is a blurple light, red + blue only, you need to add green/yellow/orange to the mix, a few cfls (2700k-3500k for flower) would help get you by until you can invest in a better setup up or whatever, but the need for supplemental lighting with Blurples it is definitely necessary, those lights only cover parts of the spectrum, it's best to balance out the light that has been designed disproportionatly by faulty Human Intel/science that has now been disproven, and the entire industry is currently changing towards white light again, which has green/yellow/orange covered for the most part.
Even a simple incandescent bulb would benefit a blurple light under these terms.
Also I think over watering is a great possibility under the blurple lights, the plant is not receiving adequate light spectrum/saturation in order to complete it's process of photosynthesis and has less ability to transpire and breathe, I would definitely hold back on watering until you can add a few lights in there, the blurple light is still LED technology also, LED grown plants are known to consume slightly less water in soil, than with other light sources such as HPS, this could start to change with the newly developed IR diodes that the are now coming equipped on the newer LED grow light platforms and such, but most soil grows that use LED as the main light source will consume slightly less h2o as mentioned above.
Besides the lighting what type of soil mix are you running?
Give them 24 hours, they will pop back up. I say that because to me its a inconsistent watering issue, and nothing more. Look at the leaf tips going back up the leaf a inch or 2, they look very wet and heavy. Anyhow... the last 2 pictures look like they got some major Afghani in them, so the leaves on them won't ever point to the heavens, yeah, the fan leaves on them will always display a graceful arch...
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The reason I said what I said is because most any plant that has its root zone in a pot with a soil or a soilless medium and that medium is over saturated, the plant will try to pump as much water as it can out to its leaf tips so that water can evaporate faster than if it was left in the soil. And they do that as a defensive measure because when the root zone is over saturated it means there will be very little oxygen in the soil, and without a ample amount of oxygen that the roots need for all of its processes, a plant can completely stop growing cause the plant will focus most of its energy on getting as much water out of the root zone up to its leaf tips to help give the roots easier access to more oxygen!
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The reason I said what I said is because most any plant that has its root zone in a pot with a soil or a soilless medium and that medium is over saturated, the plant will try to pump as much water as it can out to its leaf tips so that water can evaporate faster than if it was left in the soil. And they do that as a defensive measure because when the root zone is over saturated it means there will be very little oxygen in the soil, and without a ample amount of oxygen that the roots need for all of its processes, a plant can completely stop growing cause the plant will focus most of its energy on getting as much water out of the root zone up to its leaf tips to help give the roots easier access to more oxygen!
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zapfaustin
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Thank you guys so much for all the insight. I am using ocean soil. I am going to pick up the suggested light tomorrow! Fingers crossed.
mustbetribbin
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Sounds good man, hey I also wanted to mention that you could also use screw in Led bulbs (SIL's) with the cover/caps removed off from them and get more white spectrum that way also, but me personally I like fluorescent light because of the added UV they emit, and SIL's can be difficult to position as they emit the light in a single direction mostly, and those types of bulbs also need more distance away from the plants as they can sometimes bleach the leaves anywhere closer than 3 ft away, especially if the color temp is 5000K-6500 or higher, this higher proportioned blue light that these lights emit has a higher frequency wavelength, which means that the plants foliage will absorb Blue light more quickly than Red because violet-Blue light travels at higher frequency than all the other colors within the full range of colors on the spectrograph(Rainbow), Red or deep/far Red travels along at the lowest/slowest frequency which means that the plant absorbs less of this type of light per second and this type of light can be kept closer to the plants leaves because of this fact, because there is less chance of over saturation by photons being emitted in this spectrum range than those closer to the blue end of the spectrum and so forth.
Also a little tip for you, the next time you choose a LED grow light try and make sure if you're able that the light is dimmable, this can help the diodes have longer life and add longevity to the light fixture, plus will give you more options as to how close you you will be able to keep the lights to your plants.
Ocean forest is good stuff, I would have probably mixed a bit of natural sterile dirt into it to buffer the nutrients found in that soil just a bit, I always have to mix my soils together to get the right texture that I'm looking for, I never have just used a single type of soil and called it a day before, so that would be one thing I would probably change next run if I were you, but I'm basing this on my outlook as an outdoor grower, and I've recently switched indoor so I'm learning myself as well, but if you are able maybe seek out some rich sterile soil and hopefully pest free also, I harvest mine late winter, dig down about 1 ft before I harvest the soil from below in say an 8x8 pit that has been raked clear of debris, then I allow the dirt to sit in tubs for a couple months before use with the top sealed, any pests in the soil will be easy to locate or on their last limb because of sitting in darkness with top sealed, you may also sterilize your soil in a large canning pan moisten or saturate entirely with water and boil for an hour or so, longer if you like, I haven't boiled mine yet tho, no pest issue so far 9 months now on this latest batch.
I mention this method about soil above because I feel too many people are in fear of using real dirt from outside but if special measures are taken then there is nothing to fear and this natural resource that covers the earth can be utilised, as it does aid in growing large healthy plants in my experience.
I kind of went off topic just barely there, but yeah I just wanted to also mention that if you've got the extra height then LED bulbs could be another option for you to check out, but if space is an issues fluorescent bulbs do pretty well in a close range area, granted the spectrum is below or near 3500k color temp wise for closer bulb to leaf range and also allows us to stay towards the Red/Far Red end of the spectrum which is necessary for optimal flowering.
Let me know if I can be of any further assistance, I'm glad to offer help when I am able, thanks friend.
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zapfaustin
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Thank you so much! When I left for work today I lowered my light, moved the plants closer together for more lighting and fed them bat guano nutrients. I also put in a dehumidifier to keep the humidity down. They all look 10x better and even grew up a good bit over the 8 hour spend. I'm so happy now lol.Sounds good man, hey I also wanted to mention that you could also use screw in Led bulbs (SIL's) with the cover/caps removed off from them and get more white spectrum that way also, but me personally I like fluorescent light because of the added UV they emit, and SIL's can be difficult to position as they emit the light in a single direction mostly, and those types of bulbs also need more distance away from the plants as they can sometimes bleach the leaves anywhere closer than 3 ft away, especially if the color temp is 5000K-6500 or higher, this higher proportioned blue light that these lights emit has a higher frequency wavelength, which means that the plants foliage will absorb Blue light more quickly than Red because violet-Blue light travels at higher frequency than all the other colors within the full range of colors on the spectrograph(Rainbow), Red or deep/far Red travels along at the lowest/slowest frequency which means that the plant absorbs less of this type of light per second and this type of light can be kept closer to the plants leaves because of this fact, because there is less chance of over saturation by photons being emitted in this spectrum range than those closer to the blue end of the spectrum and so forth.
Also a little tip for you, the next time you choose a LED grow light try and make sure if you're able that the light is dimmable, this can help the diodes have longer life and add longevity to the light fixture, plus will give you more options as to how close you you will be able to keep the lights to your plants.
Ocean forest is good stuff, I would have probably mixed a bit of natural sterile dirt into it to buffer the nutrients found in that soil just a bit, I always have to mix my soils together to get the right texture that I'm looking for, I never have just used a single type of soil and called it a day before, so that would be one thing I would probably change next run if I were you, but I'm basing this on my outlook as an outdoor grower, and I've recently switched indoor so I'm learning myself as well, but if you are able maybe seek out some rich sterile soil and hopefully pest free also, I harvest mine late winter, dig down about 1 ft before I harvest the soil from below in say an 8x8 pit that has been raked clear of debris, then I allow the dirt to sit in tubs for a couple months before use with the top sealed, any pests in the soil will be easy to locate or on their last limb because of sitting in darkness with top sealed, you may also sterilize your soil in a large canning pan moisten or saturate entirely with water and boil for an hour or so, longer if you like, I haven't boiled mine yet tho, no pest issue so far 9 months now on this latest batch.
I mention this method about soil above because I feel too many people are in fear of using real dirt from outside buying special measures are taken then there is nothing to fear and this natural resource that covers the earth can be utilised, as it does aid in growing large healthy plants in my experience.
I kind of went off topic just barely there, but yeah I just wanted to also mention that if you've got the extra height then LED bulbs could be another option for you to check out, but if space is an issues fluorescent bulbs do pretty well in a close range area, granted the spectrum is below or near 3500k color temp wise for closer bulb to leaf range and also allows us to stay towards the Red/Far Red end of the spectrum which is necessary for optimal flowering.
Let me know if I can be of any further assistance, I'm glad to offer help when I am able, thanks friend.
mustbetribbin
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That's excellent to hear, I hope things turn out well for you, also hey sorry for those spelling errors above, I edited some if you get a chance to re-read, I'm gonna have to blame it on this lambsbreath cross I'm floating on at the momentThank you so much! When I left for work today I lowered my light, moved the plants closer together for more lighting and fed them bat guano nutrients. I also put in a dehumidifier to keep the humidity down. They all look 10x better and even grew up a good bit over the 8 hour spend. I'm so happy now lol.
, I actually did try and read through for errors, but I won't beat myself up, you've been very kind and I am glad to have been able to help and offer assistance, happy growing and take care my friend.
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