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DaveTheBear

DaveTheBear

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ok thanks for any help in advance.....I got 8 babies from clone, I've had them for 2 weeks now, under a 600w light in soil and perlite mix, being fed every other day 2ml of bio grow per litre of water,.... they were looking absolutely fine, things were going great then I hit a problem,...i had to take do my light for an hour a day for 3days running or reasons i wont go into, and also i had cut back on the bi grow fed into the watering because i read hat with the soil i use having neuts in it could give them neut lock, so since then i have noticed the big leafs seem to be drying out and curling up like taco shells, plants seems to be droopy, yesterday i gave them watering, no neuts and a good misting, they seemed to perk right up for a few hours but seemed to go back to the droopy state after... i have a pic.....once again thanks for any help
 

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stumps

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Don't know much about bio grow but your over watering. so probably over nuting also. water them good then let your soil dry out before you water again. The light shouldn't hurt at all.
 
DaveTheBear

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so watering every 2 days is too often?.... do the symptoms I mentioned in the original post equal over feeding? ..... also thanks for reply
 
jointed

jointed

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TBH, I need more information npk ratio,temp and humidity,how close is your lamp, what strength does 2ml of bio gro equate to. I do see signs of what looks to be heat stress and overwatering, but beyond that without the rest of your program its kinda hard to pin it right down. Cheers to the UK....J
 
redeyedfrog

redeyedfrog

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I don't see any evidence of nute burn but the roots are very
very young. What's the recommended dosage of nutes? I'd use 1/4 strength.
i also would not water every other day, I would wait until the soil was dry
and water again, because of the immature root system. Once your plants are big
and have a mature root system you can water whenever, but early on less is more
with everything! Stumps is right on target, and root rot, damping off sucks to watch
happen to your gals.
 
tikitoker

tikitoker

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DaveTheBear said:
ok thanks for any help in advance.....I got 8 babies from clone, I've had them for 2 weeks now, under a 600w light in soil and perlite mix, being fed every other day 2ml of bio grow per litre of water,.... they were looking absolutely fine, things were going great then I hit a problem,...i had to take do my light for an hour a day for 3days running or reasons i wont go into, and also i had cut back on the bi grow fed into the watering because i read hat with the soil i use having neuts in it could give them neut lock, so since then i have noticed the big leafs seem to be drying out and curling up like taco shells, plants seems to be droopy, yesterday i gave them watering, no neuts and a good misting, they seemed to perk right up for a few hours but seemed to go back to the droopy state after... i have a pic.....once again thanks for any help
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How old was the mother they came from? This is how strong you feed them. When using organics you can burn the plants, but its harder to do so. When you describe the "taco" thing the blades do, it's caused by magnesium deficiency and/or heat. As in heat from the bulb being too close or a "hot spot", HID's are notorious for them and a light spreader is used. Spreaders work, I have 1 on my 1000w Dual Arc Hortilux and I still foliar during lights on and never have any burns. Light is 28" from canopy. Otherwise move the plant to the right or the left of where it is now. Or raise the light. if its too hot for the back of your hand then its too hot for the girls. Increase air circulation that blows across the plants as to cool them.

If it's a magnesium deficiency, the brown patches will be in between the veins on the blades. Veins remain green and the leaf tissue dies. Starts out In oldest leaves, yellows and turns to brown, dead. Then progresses up the plant. A Nitrogen deficiency will antagonize magnesium, FYI. You said that you were watering/feeding every other day, I would let them dry out some and next time just give pH adjusted plain H20. It would be safe to say that you are the cause of the problem and the frequent watering is keeping the soil too wet and the natural pH buffering of your soil is inhibited, as well as gas exchange at the roots zone which also has an inhibition effect on the water/nutrient uptake of the plant.

My advise is to just chill out, cool down and dry out. Otherwise the plant actually looks very good.
 
DaveTheBear

DaveTheBear

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jointed said:
TBH, I need more information npk ratio,temp and humidity,how close is your lamp, what strength does 2ml of bio gro equate to. I do see signs of what looks to be heat stress and overwatering, but beyond that without the rest of your program its kinda hard to pin it right down. Cheers to the UK....J
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N = 4.0% , P = 3% , K = 6% bio grow recommend 2-4 ml per litre , the temp is highest 87.6 lowest 64.6 , I don't no what the humidity is, sorry, lamp is approx. 18 - 20 inch away from plants , ............... thanks
 
redeyedfrog

redeyedfrog

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I don't see any evidence of nute burn but the roots are very
very young. What's the recommended dosage of nutes? I'd use 1/4 strength.
i also would not water every other day, I would wait until the soil was dry
and water again, because of the immature root system. Once your plants are big
and have a mature root system you can water whenever, but early on less is more
with everything! Stumps is right on target, and common diseases like root rot, damping off sucks to watch
happen to your gals. And it's easily preventable by using a little bit less water.
happy growing!!!!
 
DaveTheBear

DaveTheBear

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tikitoker said:
How old was the mother they came from? This is how strong you feed them. When using organics you can burn the plants, but its harder to do so. When you describe the "taco" thing the blades do, it's caused by magnesium deficiency and/or heat. As in heat from the bulb being too close or a "hot spot", HID's are notorious for them and a light spreader is used. Spreaders work, I have 1 on my 1000w Dual Arc Hortilux and I still foliar during lights on and never have any burns. Light is 28" from canopy. Otherwise move the plant to the right or the left of where it is now. Or raise the light. if its too hot for the back of your hand then its too hot for the girls. Increase air circulation that blows across the plants as to cool them.

If it's a magnesium deficiency, the brown patches will be in between the veins on the blades. Veins remain green and the leaf tissue dies. Starts out In oldest leaves, yellows and turns to brown, dead. Then progresses up the plant. A Nitrogen deficiency will antagonize magnesium, FYI. You said that you were watering/feeding every other day, I would let them dry out some and next time just give pH adjusted plain H20. It would be safe to say that you are the cause of the problem and the frequent watering is keeping the soil too wet and the natural pH buffering of your soil is inhibited, as well as gas exchange at the roots zone which also has an inhibition effect on the water/nutrient uptake of the plant.

My advise is to just chill out, cool down and dry out. Otherwise the plant actually looks very good.
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I don't know how old the mother was sorry, I know they came from reliable source that's all, I have read a bit that's what I thought this may be mg deficiency, my light is approx. 18 inch + from plants, I use I think they are hp bulbs , I have tested my hand under the light I don't think it is that but have moved it slightly more anyways incase also I have a fan blowing across them not too strong just a small breeze? , the leaves DONT look to be going brown or yellow just curling only seems to be the biggest leaves though,......when I do water them they do perk up.....thanks for advice tikitoker .... if it Is mag def , will the letting them dry out more sort it out
 
jointed

jointed

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Lower your temps down to the mid 70's and buy a hygrometer Dave. I run my box at 67 -73 deg. and humidty at 75 - 80%. Check out my journal and see what my leaves look like. I do understand that sometimes due to certain requirements we as growers don't always get to pick the best spot in the house to grow our gardens. :-P But you owe it to yourself to make your girls happy so they produce the frostiest buds they can. A great grow is the sum of all parts of a grow comming together. Also you don't have a mag def, just transpiration issues. Good luck getting her sorted out :-P....Peace....J
 
tikitoker

tikitoker

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DaveTheBear said:
I don't know how old the mother was sorry, I know they came from reliable source that's all, I have read a bit that's what I thought this may be mg deficiency, my light is approx. 18 inch + from plants, I use I think they are hp bulbs , I have tested my hand under the light I don't think it is that but have moved it slightly more anyways incase also I have a fan blowing across them not too strong just a small breeze? , the leaves DONT look to be going brown or yellow just curling only seems to be the biggest leaves though,......when I do water them they do perk up.....thanks for advice tikitoker .... if it Is mag def , will the letting them dry out more sort it out
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If the deficiency is caused by overwatering, then yes a dryer media will help correct the pH since the plant can now breath and isn't drowning. However....... I think it is heat stress. Remember that your hand doesn't sit under a high powered lamp that emits radiant heat for 12+ hours. The hand is just a guideline.
 
DaveTheBear

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jointed said:
Lower your temps down to the mid 70's and buy a hygrometer Dave. I run my box at 67 -73 deg. and humidty at 75 - 80%. Check out my journal and see what my leaves look like. I do understand that sometimes due to certain requirements we as growers don't always get to pick the best spot in the house to grow our gardens. :-P But you owe it to yourself to make your girls happy so they produce the frostiest buds they can. A great grow is the sum of all parts of a grow comming together. Also you don't have a mag def, just transpiration issues. Good luck getting her sorted out :-P....Peace....J
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hey jointed , im setup in a cupboard in my home so I guess maybe I could leave the door open a little maybe that would cool it, other then that how would I go about cooling it down? also I will be buying a hygrometer on Friday and will post back then......so again, thanks for your reply
 
DaveTheBear

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tikitoker said:
If the deficiency is caused by overwatering, then yes a dryer media will help correct the pH since the plant can now breath and isn't drowning. However....... I think it is heat stress. Remember that your hand doesn't sit under a high powered lamp that emits radiant heat for 12+ hours. The hand is just a guideline.
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heytiitker , ...... I got my light up higher now, im gonna make sure they are dry before feeding them, hopefully they come round.... keep ya posted ..... thanks again.
 
yeah B U B B A

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stumps said:
Don't know much about bio grow but your over watering. so probably over nuting also. water them good then let your soil dry out before you water again. The light shouldn't hurt at all.
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its not a over watering/nutrients. if it was the leaves., their be drooping to the floor like they dehydrated and the leaves would turn yellowish.! but if u look closely., u will see the leaves/fan blades curl upward., showing the signs like tiki and dave said "magnesium deficiency/heat/less oxygen in the soil" but nice guess. :) word of advice., if u dont know yourself and u trying to help someone else (dont take it personal please)., try helping look it up first and remember a plant is a plant its all how u grow it :)
 
jointed

jointed

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Not going to start a pissing match in Daves thread, but where do you see yellowing between the leaf margins? Look back at the information I requested from him and you will see his temps were almost hitting 90 deg. He has transpiration issues because that girl is so young and doesn't have enough well developed roots to keep itself cool. He needs to lower the temps and raise the humidity most likely. So please take those words of advice you gave Stumps and excercise them yourself. Peace to ya Bubba....J
 
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rouleaut

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Hey guys and girls need a couple tips . I have two plants .not sure on strain but i know there both the same kind of bomb kush. Think hindu .anyhow i only have two 23 watt cfls on each at a month and a week old .im Not looking to get a huge yeild . Just maybe 2 ozs 1 each dried . I recently burnt a couple leafs due to growing too much in 1 sleep n me just pluggin the lights back in. I cut some leafs off am i harming it or decreasing the yeild?. Also is it bad how i have one light on top and one on the side of the plant? Also why are they so different they are both female. Sorry if its too many questions just need some advice.
 
stumps

stumps

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Yep I don't argue my point. Plant is drooping and cupping. Heat could also be a factor. I use vented hoods so have no issues with heat. If hood isn't vented Light needs to be pretty High. You should have a fan or something moving air with or without heat issues. Good rule of thumb. use your hand to see where you can keep it with no burning. Checking moisture in your soil. Use your index finger and stick in to the second knuckle. You want to feel no moisture in the soil before you water. You'll see pretty fast how often you need to water. Example. My grow room runs 75-80 rh is 45-65. I know my plants need to be watered every 3-4 days.
 
jointed

jointed

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stumps said:
Yep I don't argue my point. Plant is drooping and cupping. Heat could also be a factor. I use vented hoods so have no issues with heat. If hood isn't vented Light needs to be pretty High. You should have a fan or something moving air with or without heat issues. Good rule of thumb. use your hand to see where you can keep it with no burning. Checking moisture in your soil. Use your index finger and stick in to the second knuckle. You want to feel no moisture in the soil before you water. You'll see pretty fast how often you need to water. Example. My grow room runs 75-80 rh is 45-65. I know my plants need to be watered every 3-4 days.
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Right on....:clap:....J
 
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