Potent natural buzzes(Kratom, skullcap...)

I want to get more into these botanical natural highs. Some days I just feel off or agitated and need a tiny little buzz as opposed to actual drugs. Marihuana tends to trip me out, and pills are addictive and expensive habits.

I have used Kratom for years, I love the potency of it now I only use it on rare occasions. For when I really want opiates I just take a shot of strained Kratom in high percentage alcohol. Gets me to where I want to be. I have been reading about the most potent botanicals that you can take without just getting tired. In going to buy some skullcap capsuls and see how those do.

Are you guys aware of any potent mind altering herbs or herb extracts that I could look into? It'd be nice to have around especially a variety so I don't develope any sort of mental fixation with a specific one. I know there must be tons of them.

Thanks

Sorry for typos and what not. It's hard to use correct grammar and spelling on this damn iPhone.

I enjoy kava from time to time. None of the extracts and whatnot. bulakavahouse is a good place... it's pretty cheap stuff. The boroguru and melo melo are what I prefer. When I'm not so stoned I'll try to think of some more.

Oh, and did you know DXM potentiates kratom?

I tried kava a few years ago but I only smoked it.. Didn't notice anything but I don't think at the time I was looking for what it actually was. Thanks for telling me that I actually forgot about its existence. So no extracts? Ill have to buy some of that and this skullcap stuff.

I did know xD shit made me wreck my car one day. Taking two CCCs and a good shot of Kratom will chill you out like very well

I don't think you're supposed to smoke it. making a drink with 5-6 grams is a good start. It's just a nice relaxing buzz. Tastes pretty raunchy though (I normally just throw it down the hatch and chase it down). Nothing really tastes similar. People have some recipes out there to make it better though

Yeah I'll probably put some honey sugar gensing and lemon juice in there or something.
The extracts aren't good? What if I were to extract it myself with grain alcohol or something? Much easier in pill caps if it tastes gross.
Kratom I don't mind because it has such a stron buzz

I only tried a couple of the extracts and they just didn't do it for me, unless I mixed it with regular root. The same thing happened to me with kratom extracts (but I never did my own like you). Kava has a pretty strong buzz to it also. Don't underestimate it lol. Or else

Makes sense, extracts universally seem to be a waste of money. But seriously try filtering Kratom, especially with alcohol if the kava is only 5-6 gram dose then if the alkaloids are at least alcohol soluble it should work right? Only one way to find out.

It's seriously so much easier. Especially only doing it occasionally it feels like I took 20-30mg of hydro condone or something.

Could you describe kavas effects? Obviously it's sedating but is it similar to anything? Like anything else it's its own thing obviously but a description other than relaxing would be cool haha

Fucking iPhone I hate this damn thing lol

But the battery lasts forever so whatever fuck phones in general

Umm it feels kind of similar to a benzo. It makes you all warm. Enhances your mood. relaxes your entire body... which is why I love it after a hard day of work. That's about as much as I can describe it... I've never been good at explaining the effects of things and how I feel.

Me either lol it's okay things just have to be experienced. But good good that sounds great! I rea one thing saying that so that's awesome a natural alternative to benzo and then Kratom too? Read about skullcap it seems interesting if you haven't already.

Thanks for the info man I really appreciate it!

high|hgih said:

I want to get more into these botanical natural highs. Some days I just feel off or agitated and need a tiny little buzz as opposed to actual drugs. Marihuana tends to trip me out, and pills are addictive and expensive habits.

I have used Kratom for years, I love the potency of it now I only use it on rare occasions. For when I really want opiates I just take a shot of strained Kratom in high percentage alcohol. Gets me to where I want to be. I have been reading about the most potent botanicals that you can take without just getting tired. In going to buy some skullcap capsuls and see how those do.

Are you guys aware of any potent mind altering herbs or herb extracts that I could look into? It'd be nice to have around especially a variety so I don't develope any sort of mental fixation with a specific one. I know there must be tons of them.

Thanks

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Consider betel nut, don't use it the way the natives do but in pill form, some of the nut itself mixed with some of the leaf. You may find it very pleasant, a sort of body buzz with a calming effect on the mind.

Also, as others have said, Kava, when taken correctly in the correct doses is quite nice, though expensive when done in a more western way (finely ground and of the highes quality, I'm afraid I've forgotten the grades)

And by all means grow your own opium poppies. If you limit your intake of opiates to those you grow your own it is unlikely you will have a physical problem.

Kava has a range of effects, it starts as a warm and encompasing envigoration at the smaller doses and goes up to more sedating, but still "tingling" at higher doses, even higher doses will bring on full inebriation, clumsiness, unsteady gate and the like. Continued use can give you liver problems.

Does the pill form of Kava give the effect? I can get this kind of a buzz at my local Walmart?

Kava is pretty cheap I think. But I pay around $60 for a kilo of the best stuff I've found. The different grades are just what part of the root they use, right?

Betel nut is pretty cool. I've only got to try it once. Had no idea they have it in pill form

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Does the pill form of Kava give the effect? I can get this kind of a buzz at my local Walmart?

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I don't think they have it at walmart. The pill (capsule) form is usually extracts. Which some like... but I needed to mix regular root powder with extracts to get a good effect going. you can get a 1/4 pound of the stuff for pretty cheap though. Or they have loads of different "instant kava" and the extracts like 30% kavalactones.. 70%... 84% etc.

You could put regular kava powder in caps too... but you'd probably need to eat about 10 caps.

Impman said:

Does the pill form of Kava give the effect? I can get this kind of a buzz at my local Walmart?

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None I have found, you need grams of it, or a pretty dense concoction made by kneeding the powdered root in cold water till it gets sort of scummy and tastes just horrible. I found some powdered stuff that is mixed with chocolate that can be stirred in water - worked very well actually though as I said, it gets expensive. I am sorry I can't give you more info. I got a kilo of some of the finest quality don't recall what I paid. I began to use it regularly until my wife had a serious reaction to it, the poor woman's head blew up like a mellon. Mind you, she and I had taken it perhaps two dozen times before. it was very frightening but we were adamant that it must not be our beloved kava, the next time we tried it I had to bring her to the ER and even whatever they gave her for alergic reactions didn't work very well at all. I happen to love my wife very much and will not take substances she cannot join me in so we left the kilo in the drawer. Several years later, looking for a diversion and alone, I made up some kava brew, all of it's properties had vanished so I threw it away. I have not had kava for a number of years now - I think the last time was in 2001 or so. I can tell you that if it weren't for her, I would have it on hand all the time.

but I can recommend it, and I don't think that her reaction is particularly common.

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Kava is pretty cheap I think. But I pay around $60 for a kilo of the best stuff I've found. The different grades are just what part of the root they use, right?

Betel nut is pretty cool. I've only got to try it once. Had no idea they have it in pill form

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You have to make the pills yourself. The Kava is graded, from what I understand, by where it is grown and by how pure it is, they tend to cut it with higher parts of the root (?) and perhaps other parts of the plant. I have tried the extracts - no good at all, I have tried the pills vended at health food stores, no good, I don't recall what I paid for the good stuff but owing to the amount you need, a kilo doesn't last all that long, also, I was lax in preping my own brew - you are supposed to put in a sock or something and mash it in that cold water for quite a while, I was always more partial to just putting a few tablespoons in a glass and chugging it down, bits of the root sticking to my teeth. You will know if you got the good stuff if your mouth gets numb. Oh, also, it is advised that if you should go into your doctor or the ER you should tell them you have taken some of it, it seems to interfere with all sorts of other medications.

The higher parts are the basal stem and the stump. You want stuff with more lateral root in it. I usually just take a few spoon fulls (after grinding it into powder) and wash it down as quick as possible. Making the drink makes me gag, filtered or not. But some of those instant kava drinks aren't bad at all, like the chocolate one you mentioned. I had a chocolate/cinnamon one that was actually pretty tasty. It seems like Vanuatu has the best kava... but I've only had it from a few regions.

You're right about a kilo not lasting long. Maybe a month for me.

Okay I ordered a 1/4 kilo of melo melo. This'll do me good?

I'm excited to try it, so how long are you supposed to kneed it in cold water? And its better than just consuming the powder mixed? Hell ill order some betel nut too.
Haha thanks guys