PPM/PH Facts

Lordhooha

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For some reason I keep it super simple and grow in my own homemade soil and never run into issues regardless of the strain I’m running. I water just enough never water until there’s run off. I vary rarely feed anything extra and when I do I do simple one part nutrient. This guy obviously came from a cannabis academy which suddenly makes him super knowledgeable about diddly shit lmao.
 

Kingrow1

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1002007109003013

http://www.publish.csiro.au/BT/BT12110

Broaden your understandings and you will see that humidity isn't a sole factor.

Leaf morphology meaning the changes in expression of leaf characteristics in a species.

Humidity ranges in colorado (pueblo) from 30% to 60% in a day. How immediate do you think? More so, understanding humidity has far greater circumstances than morphology. It is only with indoor growing practices that we create this morphology.
https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Colorado/humidity-annual.php
Im just gona say shutup now, you didnt get what i was saying and english command seems too weak for me to converse, my original statement still stands :-)
 

NanoGadget

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For some reason I keep it super simple and grow in my own homemade soil and never run into issues regardless of the strain I’m running. I water just enough never water until there’s run off. I vary rarely feed anything extra and when I do I do simple one part nutrient. This guy obviously came from a cannabis academy which suddenly makes him super knowledgeable about diddly shit lmao.
I have always gotten along very well with you and i think for the most part you are helpful and friendly, but this is exactly what i was talking about earlier....
Why is there so much scorn thrown at people who are intersted by the underlying processes of a particular phenomenon and decide to share said knowledge? Why do i see, time and time again, this whole "Mr. Smartypants over here must think he is better than everyone else, what an asshole" mentality? Do we really want a world of ignorant people? You wouldn't be on an internet forum right now without the work of people who want to know how things work and why. We would all be hitting each other with sticks and arguing about the best way to keep the lions from eating us. Lol.

Again, i respect you as a man, and i like you, so please don't read this as an attack. I just get fired up because i think smart people are kind of shit on in our society.
 

NanoGadget

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To clarify, my ramblings have nothing to do with the OP. I can see why people would have a problem with the attitude that seems to accompany the knowledge in this particular instance. :bigjoint:
 

Lordhooha

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I have always gotten along very well with you and i think for the most part you are helpful and friendly, but this is exactly what i was talking about earlier....
Why is there so much scorn thrown at people who are intersted by the underlying processes of a particular phenomenon and decide to share said knowledge? Why do i see, time and time again, this whole "Mr. Smartypants over here must think he is better than everyone else, what an asshole" mentality? Do we really want a world of ignorant people? You wouldn't be on an internet forum right now without the work of people who want to know how things work and why. We would all be hitting each other with sticks and arguing about the best way to keep the lions from eating us. Lol.

Again, i respect you as a man, and i like you, so please don't read this as an attack. I just get fired up because i think smart people are kind of shit on in our society.
It's all good man I've done plenty of college got my degrees but some of these come off as assholes on here. Google masters most of them and then the recent the cannabis academy guys. The guys coming from these "institutions" are a joke.
 

Kingrow1

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To clarify, my ramblings have nothing to do with the OP. I can see why people would have a problem with the attitude that seems to accompany the knowledge in this particular instance. :bigjoint:
To be clever here isnt actually all that hard recently.

:-)
 

NanoGadget

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It's all good man I've done plenty of college got my degrees but some of these come off as assholes on here. Google masters most of them and then the recent the cannabis academy guys. The guys coming from these "institutions" are a joke.
I will definitely agree that attitude is a huge part of information exchange. Nobody wants to engage with someone who throws fits when their facts are called into question. Best way to ensure a complete communication breakdown is to act like a dick.
I still think there is a lot of insecurity behind the way some people react to those that may be more knowledgeable than they are about a particular topic. You don't seem to suffer from that which is why i get along with you.
Regardless, I'm glad you took my rant in the spirit it was intended. Happy growing!
 

NanoGadget

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To the OP... i think you had great intentions in posting the information and insights and i think the vast majority of it was accurate and helpful. I'd only recommend that you try to exercise patience and understanding when you encounter conflict. It'd be a shame to lose an obviously knowledgeable member because egos turned a discussion into a pissing match. I'm not placing all the blame on you, some of us can be grumpy and stubborn, but you will do a lot more good for new or uninformed growers if you can manage to avoid ad hominem exchanges.
 

promedz

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If you all was smoking this bud I have there would be no conflicts ever it would just be love and understanding! But let me run out and I’m short tempered too, seems to me like couple ppl are waiting for a harvest! I’ll fire a couple up for you all! And we can get back to our regularly scheduled feeding and maintenance! :mrgreen:
:eyesmoke:
 

Lordhooha

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If you all was smoking this bud I have there would be no conflicts ever it would just be love and understanding! But let me run out and I’m short tempered too, seems to me like couple ppl are waiting for a harvest! I’ll fire a couple up for you all! And we can get back to our regularly scheduled feeding and maintenance! :mrgreen:
:eyesmoke:
I'm never out I keep three rooms running :bigjoint:
 

Dr. Who

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Well, I'd like to start with extending my appreciation for your acknowledgement of my post.

Secondly i'd like you to respect science and stop spurting the first thing your narcissistic mind can think of. I guess i'll do this chronologically for readers that kept interest up to this point.

Third, Roll one up for the read. It might?... help...

1)"Think Total dissolved salts instead. BZZT, SOLIDS not "salts."
The sources of total dissolved solids include all of the dissolved cations and anions.

i'm sorry but solids are seriously misinterpreted.

noun: solid; plural noun: solids
a substance or object that is solid rather than liquid or fluid.

Are pathogens liquid or solid? Can you measure pathogens with a TOTAL DISSOLVED SOLIDS meter? Right...
https://www.water-research.net/index.php/water-treatment/tools/total-dissolved-solids
https://www.hydroviv.com/blogs/water-smarts/tds-meters-and-testers

2) You should be growing by NPK values...This is done by % of concentration by volume - The way NPK is measured in the nutrient bottle anyway.

This is severely misinforming because you don't just get 10% Nitrogen from a 10-10-10
First of all, 10% of what? A gallon? Oh 10% of the ENTIRE nutrient is (enter nutrient here)
Secondly, 10% usually isn't just nitrogen, they're accounting for Nitrates, Ammonium, even nitrites.
The most fundamental difference between nitrite and nitrate molecules is that while they both contain nitrogen and oxygen, the number of oxygen atoms is different. Both nitrate and nitrite molecules contain one nitrogen atom, but nitrates have three atoms of oxygen and nitrites have only two. but even more importantly, is this nitrogen source water solube and are the molecules available through ion exchange at the root zone.
Sure, they're garden fertilizers, of course. but how much?

http://passel.unl.edu/pages/informationmodule.php?idinformationmodule=1130447043&topicorder=11&maxto=15
https://www.researchgate.net/post/Why_nitrate_is_considered_to_be_the_best_form_of_nirogen_for_plant
http://www.greenhouse.cornell.edu/crops/factsheets/nitrogen_form.pdf

3) WTF? Teaching a college class to grade school growers is really not needed here...KISS goes a lot father with the bulk of these folks trying to learn to grow.

I'm sorry,but i've spent money and time on growing cannabis as have all of us.
I'm here to breed knowledge, keep breeding ignorance and see how far you will take your people.

Edit: After thinking about what you said, I must ask, are you making the assumption for the masses that they don't need to know? Or have I somehow offended you? One sounds like a totalitarian standpoint and the other requires you to admit to fault. Which one is it?
You're comment about "teaching a college class" is usually a compliment 'round these parts but obviously you're attacking me in either defense of yourself or offense of myself.

I'm curious Dr. Do you really think i'm the only mind that would inquire about why cannabis does "what"?
Or is it that you aren't one of those minds, and cannot accept others for their differences.
None of your post was informing, so I am left to wonder your purpose and motives.

Who here wants to spend 15,000 on botany, cultivation and specifically cannabis college courses? I did, so everyone shouldn't have to. Cannabis isn't keeping it simple. It's a passion where those who inquire are rewarded. I hear you're organic, have you ever even heard of Dr. Elaine Ingham? What about Jeff Lowenfels?

Do you think they kept it simple? Have some damn respect.

4) Best to remove the term "SALTS" and change that to "ions." I mean if your teach a college level class...Use the right terms!

A salt is a chemical compound formed from the reaction of an acid with a base, with all or part of the hydrogen of the acid replaced by a metal or other cation.
Not just ions Mr. Ignorance. Big difference.

5) VPD is best used in cannabis growing, by those that use Co2 gas! It's kinda over rated here. One of our things we fear is PM. PM easily comes into play by growing at over 50% RH....
EVERY grow book out there will tell you to grow at 50% RH.....I run mine down to 45% ( Goes to about 42 % from the over run from it being set to 45% and it fires the Deheuly at 50%)

Powdery mildew should have been a thing of the past. If you even worry about it, it proves the ignorance.
https://www.easy-grow.co.uk/learning-from-the-dutch-preventing-powdery-mildew/

Powdery mildew has only happened to me once. Now humidity and powdery mildew are light years apart for me.

6) In reality, the soil pH differences used by Indica's vs. Sativa's. are only measured in 10th's of 1 percent.....Meaningless in the grand picture of cannabis growing.
This is simply something you made up in your mind.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/12/161208143456.htm

A ph of 6.0 Is EXPONENTIALLY more acidic than that of 7. Not incrimentally.
Can you see Afghanistan? Hindu Kush mountains? Landrace strain Hindu kush? PH>7 Indica
What about Durban? Africa? PH<7
And since you're organic I assume you think Microbes are magically inert in terms of PH...
https://aem.asm.org/content/75/6/1589.short
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1567539408001369
Do you know why Microbes change the PH? Because they are resilient and making a home in your soil.

I'm going to assume you think cannabis is simple.
It's one of the most complex plants. Strains vary greatly yes. So much so that they can adapt to different PH's
https://www.jstor.org/stable/42937041?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents,

Cold cold temps
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25431421
https://www.science.gov/topicpages/a/antifreeze+proteins+afps.html
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ppl.12318

(Side note for those reading, anthocyanins are a pigment created in colored plants like cannabis, that change color expression according to Ph and when the temperatures drop creating an enviornment that allows chlorophyll breakdown and viola, colored cannabis. anthocyanins are best "excited" by 540nm light as apposed to Chlorophyll A 465 nm and 665 nm and B 453 nm and 642 nm and only appear when they are more abundant than other pigments.)

Colored cannabis is a maxima tribute to the adaptation of chlorophyll.

Also, no matter what you do, ph is going to "swing"
That's an effect of soil... I figured there was no need to bring it up and focused on controllable variables.
http://passel.unl.edu/pages/informationmodule.php?idinformationmodule=1130447041&topicorder=6&maxto=10
Hydroponics you say in your head?
Carbonic acid and the balance of Hydrogen ions. similar to soil, in that microbes in soil can actually fixate nitrogen present IN THE AIR.
It's called uh... nitrogen fixation...

I apologize if I've offended your keyboard with knowledge. Not sorry for offending your ego as it appears to have happened considering your inability to keep it simple on your end.
That's your motto right? Keep it stupid.

I want to review my post, but i'll let you do that and correct myself as needed. it's my bedtime.

SERIOUSLY?

There's too much here to even start!
Your way over doing things. Flat wrong on others....
Your making conclusions from your own interpretations of things your reading....Some of them are not so correct....at all..... That's not knowledge....

To much of what you're spewing has been poorly interpreted to actual application, from real science. If your growing skills match your interpretive learning skills......You got problems.

Look, you know some things, You research. I bet you grow pretty damn well....I mean, I'll guess from my interpretations of your "knowledge".

I simply DO NOT agree with your conclusions and application (you really don't define how you apply your conclusions)

I have to question why you used a link to "information" on PM control from a Maker of nutrients? While the basic info is solid.....It still very much, slants to "Use our product and your problems go away." Ca? Already the most over used micro nutrient in growing cannabis.....I have to admit. The Dutch like to use amino supplements.....High price ones from many makers...

As far as in house PM control.... Keep it clean and follow a solid cleansing of incoming clones..... No problems. Be advised, those spores are everywhere. My building sits at the edge of my garden. PM happens out there.....Horsetail grass tea's with a tsp of Green cure or few drops of soap as a water surface tension breaker......No more PM on squash's.

From the UK? Bed at 10:51 am, eastern standard time....tends to point that way...

Hmm, return an insult? Nah, don't need to.....
 
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