President Obama Apologizes

Ringsixty said:

America, wake the Fuck up !

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beenthere said:

The total enrollment went from 50 million to 15 million down to 500 thousand then to 70 thousand and now we know it was only 6 the first day.

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beenthere said:

No run along before you get bitch slapped again.

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UncleBuck said:

now you're comparing buying healthcare to the holocaust?

this must be one of those right wing threads started by a right winger and populated by right wing retards making retarded claims and complaints.

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nitro harley said:

I say Impeach that lying piece of shit........But lets wait until I get signed up....

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ChesusRice said:

Yes let us know how that turns out since you dont seem to be willing to even put in an application

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schuylaar said:

sure, right on that..AFTER ted cruz and his constituents come up with the 24 BILLION..that this country is owed..now THAT'S a piece of shit who truly puts forth his own agenda..

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beenthere said:

Obama was a responsible party to the government shut down, no need to lie.

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beenthere said:

Obama was a responsible party to the government shut down, no need to lie.

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beenthere said:

Obama was a responsible party to the government shut down, no need to lie.

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bird mcbride said:

Funny thing I was reading concerns about subsidized Obama care and how it will effect insurance companies. Hitler put out the cash to have allied soldier insured by Loyds of London for loss of life. If Hitler can pay out for all this insurance what's wrong with Obama and his government. I say north America should go back to the bigger nukes so the ICBM systems can be used at NASA again for manned flight so a lot of people can get their jobs back etc.

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bird mcbride said:

Funny thing I was reading concerns about subsidized Obama care and how it will effect insurance companies. Hitler put out the cash to have allied soldier insured by Loyds of London for loss of life. If Hitler can pay out for all this insurance what's wrong with Obama and his government. I say north America should go back to the bigger nukes so the ICBM systems can be used at NASA again for manned flight so a lot of people can get their jobs back etc.

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schuylaar said:

sure, right on that..AFTER ted cruz and his constituents come up with the 24 BILLION..that this country is owed..now THAT'S a piece of shit who truly puts forth his own agenda..

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bird mcbride said:

Funny thing I was reading concerns about subsidized Obama care and how it will effect insurance companies. Hitler put out the cash to have allied soldier insured by Loyds of London for loss of life. If Hitler can pay out for all this insurance what's wrong with Obama and his government. I say north America should go back to the bigger nukes so the ICBM systems can be used at NASA again for manned flight so a lot of people can get their jobs back etc.

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schuylaar said:

let me see if i have this straight, hitler insured his allied forces through a company whose country he was attacking?..i wonder how that worked out for him?

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GreatwhiteNorth said:

Like it or not, Obama lied

Published: November 7, 2013
By JONAH GOLDBERG

Many of the president's supporters are in barely concealed panic over the fact that he didn't tell the truth when he was selling the Affordable Care Act.

In an oft-repeated vow, he told the country that "if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."

This was, by any common-sense measure, a lie. It was a lie because President Obama understood that one of the central aims of the Affordable Care Act was to squeeze out the individual insurance market (and the small business market), forcing those Americans on to the HealthCare.gov exchanges. You can't force people out of one insurance product and into another while simultaneously letting them keep their plan. That'd be like a car salesman promising a great price on a new vehicle if you trade in your old one, while still promising you can keep your old car.

This simple fact of logic is causing many liberals to flee for what they believe are rhetorical safe harbors.

The first refuge is that he was simply being "unclear." The "White House could have been clearer in laying the groundwork for this political argument," writes The Washington Post's Greg Sargent. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., says, "I think we should have been more precise." The New York Times' Editorial Board says, "Obama clearly misspoke when he said that."

In most dictionaries, misspeaking is defined as a slip of the tongue. Is it really misspeaking when the president repeats a poll-tested pledge dozens of times, often reading from prepared remarks on his teleprompter, straight into the camera? Is it really a slip of the tongue when the White House puts out videos and talking points centered on this false claim?

Obama wasn't telling the truth unclearly; he was telling a falsehood very clearly. When he said "no matter what," it even left the impression that, if in some unforeseen way the law did cause people to lose their plan, he would remedy the situation. (If that were so, the White House would support congressional efforts to let people keep their plans.) The "period" in "you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period" means no ifs ands or buts. Now we are getting a barrage of "buts."

On Monday night the president grasped for a rhetorical do-over. "Now, if you had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed." Except for the fact that's entirely untrue, it's pretty persuasive.

The most popular alibi is, "Yes, people are losing their plans, but they're getting better ones." The New York Times and the president have embraced this line. But even that isn't necessarily true.

Some people already know they don't think the new plans are better. In many cases, they're more expensive with higher deductibles and stiffer co-pays. Better for the consumer and better for bureaucrats or progressive social planners don't always mean the same thing.

Even if turns out to be true, as Obama insisted in Boston last week, that the majority of Americans will get better coverage than they had before, that's no rebuttal to the charge the president lied.

If a landlord promises you can keep your dog when you move into an apartment, but then after you sign the lease he takes your dog and replaces it with a stuffed one, he wasn't telling you the truth. The landlord's view that the new dog is better ("No mess! No noise!") is utterly irrelevant to the question of whether the landlord lied -- and it doesn't make you a fool for preferring your old dog, either.

It's good that liberal supporters of the law admit that what the president said wasn't true, even if they can't bring themselves to call the president a liar. But they might want to think a bit about the standard they are establishing.

Do they really want to say it's OK for presidents to lie if it is for a good cause? Surely, some presidential lies are painfully necessary. (Franklin Roosevelt lied quite a bit in the lead up to World War II.) But Obama's lies (including his promises that the Affordable Care Act would "bend the cost curve" down and that the average family would save $2,500 a year in health care costs) were in the service of partisan legislation that has never been popular.

Many liberals forgive Obama for his noble lie. I doubt they'd be as forgiving if a Republican president similarly lied to impose an unpopular partisan agenda.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2013/11/07/3162063/jonah-goldberg-like-it-or-not.html#storylink=cpy

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canndo said:

that one of the central aims of the Affordable Care Act was to squeeze out the individual insurance market (and the small business market), forcing those Americans on to the HealthCare.gov exchange
whiz IS ... The individual insurance market. Jayzus goldburg is either dense or intentionally distorting shit.

either way, reposting this is a perpetuation of typical half truths that will surely spell the end of Republicans as we know them.

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beenthere said:

Cmon canndo, I know you are smarter than that.

Put on your political blinders and do some research and do some simple math.

How in the hell are we going to insure millions of more people and have it cost less?

As much as you don't want to admit it, Obamacare cannot work unless the private insurance industry makes up the majority of the government exchange.

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NLXSK1 said:

It is not insurance anymore. It is simply a re-distribution of wealth from one class of people to another to finance a government welfare giveaway.

If you do not have a pre-existing condition clause, it cannot be defined as insurance anymore.

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