presidential poll

who do you think you will vote for?

  • i am a republican voting for McCain

    Votes: 7 11.3%
  • i am a republican voting for Obama

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • i am a democrat voting for McCain

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • i am a democrat voting for Obama

    Votes: 17 27.4%
  • i am an independent voting for McCain

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • i am an independent voting for Obama

    Votes: 12 19.4%
  • completely disgusted and undecided, or won't vote

    Votes: 22 35.5%

  • Total voters
    62

hom36rown

Well-Known Member
I guess I'll wrtie in ron paul, out of the 2 Id pick obama I guess, ca is already going to him for sure anyway...
 

ViRedd

New Member
Spin...................
Ahhh, come on Med ... As soon as President Bush removed the executive ban on offshore oil drilling, the price of oil started to go down and it continues to go down as we speak. I'd say good for Bush, wouldn't you?

And by the way, if you remember from one of my previous posts, I predicted that as soon as the market saw us getting serious about increasing our domestic supply, the price would go down.

Just think how much lower it will go if, and when, the Democrats (your party) gets on board.

What effects on the market do the democrats have when they sit there in the Senate and threaten to "Socialize" the oil companies? :blsmoke:

Vi
 

hom36rown

Well-Known Member
Ahhh, come on Med ... As soon as President Bush removed the executive ban on offshore oil drilling, the price of oil started to go down and it continues to go down as we speak. I'd say good for Bush, wouldn't you?

And by the way, if you remember from one of my previous posts, I predicted that as soon as the market saw us getting serious about increasing our domestic supply, the price would go down.

Just think how much lower it will go if, and when, the Democrats (your party) gets on board.

What effects on the market do the democrats have when they sit there in the Senate and threaten to "Socialize" the oil companies? :blsmoke:

Vi
I guess it comes down to whether or not the small impact offshore drilling will have on the market is worth the further rape of our planet
 

ccodiane

New Member
I guess it comes down to whether or not the small impact offshore drilling will have on the market is worth the further rape of our planet
Get off your computer you dweeb.......it WILL have a small impact, very small considering the magnitude of your posts, as well.....do your part you rapist.
 

hom36rown

Well-Known Member
I never said I was on either side of the issue "dweeb" I was more or less playing DA, the economic impacts will be small too...very small...

you should get a life
 

Bongulator

Well-Known Member
I think we will have the will to transform ourselves into a much greener nation within 10 years. I don't think drilling up our beaches for a tiny price break in 10 years is the solution though. The solution is electric cars and massive tax breaks for installing solar panels or a wind turbine on your home. That eliminates the pollution caused by the plants that provide homes electricity and gets rid of a huge amount of the oil dependence in our transportation sector.

We can do lots besides those two things, and we should, but just those two alone would probably get us off of foreign oil. But all oil, foreign or not, comes from the oil companies for the best price they can get on the global market. So ending dependence on foreign oil doesn't mean we'll ever again have anything resembling *cheap* oil. If China will pay $300/barrel, and we won't, China will get the oil. A bidding war. We'd best be waaaay less dependent on oil, domestic or foreign, before we reach that stage. Drilling up our beaches will only make people think that things are gonna be fine now. But that's a dangerous illusion to feed people. Whenever we perform the transformation we need it's going to be painful, but the sooner it's done the less pain we will feel.

The reason gas prices are dropping is because the prices went too high and there was enough demand destruction worldwide to make a difference. I'm sure there were some psychological effects on the market too, but the best cure for high gas prices is high gas prices, and we just watched that happen.
 
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ccodiane

New Member
I never said I was on either side of the issue "dweeb" I was more or less playing DA, the economic impacts will be small too...very small...

you should get a life

Are you selling?

PS- Are you an oil consultant? Who is the Secretary of Agriculture? What is the capital of Alaska? ....your a dweeb. You get my point?
 

ccodiane

New Member
Drilling up our beaches will only make people think that things are gonna be fine now.

With the proposals on the table, now, you would never even know they were their......did you hear about all the leaky oil platforms after that devastator Katrina?
 

GarryFroker

New Member
Are you selling?

PS- Are you an oil consultant? Who is the Secretary of Agriculture? What is the capital of Alaska? ....your a dweeb. You get my point?
He's a dweeb but you're a douche bag. Get my point? The increase in World demand for oil has been growing about 15%. The oil Bush wants to let his oil buddies drill for will, and I'm being generous here...will put 10% new oil on the market. That's not much of an impact.
 

ccodiane

New Member
He's a dweeb but you're a douche bag. Get my point? The increase in World demand for oil has been growing about 15%. The oil Bush wants to let his oil buddies drill for will, and I'm being generous here...will put 10% new oil on the market. That's not much of an impact.

And you're an idiot.....and I'm being generous here. Frivolous... Anyway, 10% not much of an impact? So if we reduce the supply by 10%? The same should hold true; not much of an impact? And if demand grows by an additional 10%, to 25% growth, not much of an impact? Or if you work 10 % harder on your arguments, not much of an impact? (This ones true, you need to forget all you know and start over.) Unbelievable, the lack of basic economic thought these young skulls full of mush exhibit....

PS- I'm not concurring with your numbers, you just make them up as you go, but it works for the example.

If you own a company, and you produce 100 "widgets" a year, and at the end of the year, you think it would be possible to produce 110 "widgets" next year, would you do it? Or, would you say to yourself, ah, 10 more widgets will only make me 10% more money, fuck it.....it's not much of a difference. It's rhetorical. I actually know what your lazy ass would say.....
 
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