Pro Grow LED Run #1, Super Cali Haze, Onyx, Blackbriar, and Blue Diesel

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vic.jpegAfter having many successful runs with hps lights, at the end having two 400w hps dedicated to four autoflowering plants I realized the electricity and heat were way too much for my closet in my spare bedroom.

I've bet the farm so to speak on LEDs. As of now I have 4 going, 3 from short stuff (cali haze, blue diesel, and onyx), and one of my own creation having bred a super stud male Auto Assassin, some great local photo period Lemon G, and MI-5. It took several gens but is now autoflowering and relatively stable.

The set up - 1 - 180w PG LED from Hydropnics Hut, one 90w UFO from Led Wholesalers, 3 68w 2700k CFLS, 1 105w 5000k CFL, 1 105w 2700k cfl. Miracle grow moisture control potting soil with limited fox farm nutes added when I think they need em.

After being shockingly happy with the 180 PG I will add another next week either a 260 PG or another 180 PG. I'll also add that I'm not affiliated with any LED company and just sharing my honest experience so if you're here to hate please don't. I aim to see if I can use this tech to pull the avg of 1.5-2 oz dried off autos like I did with my old HPS set up.

So we're on day 36 for the onyx, cali, and blackbriar (Robert Ludlum anyone?). The blue diesel was a freebie seed that is now on day 50. IMHO short stuff seeds is the tits, but haven't necessarily been impressed with the yields on the blue diesels I've grown. The smoke is good but I usually only pull an oz with strong HPS lights.

As for the LED performance thus far I am terribly upset with the 90w from LED Wholesalers. Upon further research I found they have a "F" BBB rating and their lights are most definitely from China. The 180 PG while a higher wattage lamp is easily performing at 3x the rate of the UFO. What is also interesting to note is the 30 day warranty offered by LED Wholesalers vs. the 3 year warranty from Hydro Hut. The difference in visible (at least to this human's eye) spectrum is profound. The UFO is more of a violet hue where the Pro Grow looks similar actual sunlight. This will be the end of my rant on LED Wholesalers, I'm just upset with myself for not doing better research before I shelled out $125 bucks on this light. On the bright side it would appear that the Pro Grow's "got what plants crave" (Mike Judge anyone?).

Pics below. I'm gonna update as soon as my new LED from Hydroponics Hut arrives or this time next week, whatever comes first. After that I suspect I'll be able to remove some of the CLFs without harming yield. The onyx that is just under CFL right now will also be moved in with the rest when my other light arrives.current set up overview.jpgBlackbriar under 180 PG.jpgL-R bluediesel blackbriar cali haze.jpgOnxy under CFLs only for now.jpgBlue Diesel Flowreing under chinese disco light.jpg

Your thoughts and musing are welcome and will be taken into consideration. Thanks for checkin my journal!
 

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hoss12781 said:
View attachment 1670290After having many successful runs with hps lights, at the end having two 400w hps dedicated to four autoflowering plants I realized the electricity and heat were way too much for my closet in my spare bedroom.

I've bet the farm so to speak on LEDs. As of now I have 4 going, 3 from short stuff (cali haze, blue diesel, and onyx), and one of my own creation having bred a super stud male Auto Assassin, some great local photo period Lemon G, and MI-5. It took several gens but is now autoflowering and relatively stable.

The set up - 1 - 180w PG LED from Hydropnics Hut, one 90w UFO from Led Wholesalers, 3 68w 2700k CFLS, 1 105w 5000k CFL, 1 105w 2700k cfl. Miracle grow moisture control potting soil with limited fox farm nutes added when I think they need em.

After being shockingly happy with the 180 PG I will add another next week either a 260 PG or another 180 PG. I'll also add that I'm not affiliated with any LED company and just sharing my honest experience so if you're here to hate please don't. I aim to see if I can use this tech to pull the avg of 1.5-2 oz dried off autos like I did with my old HPS set up.

So we're on day 36 for the onyx, cali, and blackbriar (Robert Ludlum anyone?). The blue diesel was a freebie seed that is now on day 50. IMHO short stuff seeds is the tits, but haven't necessarily been impressed with the yields on the blue diesels I've grown. The smoke is good but I usually only pull an oz with strong HPS lights.

As for the LED performance thus far I am terribly upset with the 90w from LED Wholesalers. Upon further research I found they have a "F" BBB rating and their lights are most definitely from China. The 180 PG while a higher wattage lamp is easily performing at 3x the rate of the UFO. What is also interesting to note is the 30 day warranty offered by LED Wholesalers vs. the 3 year warranty from Hydro Hut. The difference in visible (at least to this human's eye) spectrum is profound. The UFO is more of a violet hue where the Pro Grow looks similar actual sunlight. This will be the end of my rant on LED Wholesalers, I'm just upset with myself for not doing better research before I shelled out $125 bucks on this light. On the bright side it would appear that the Pro Grow's "got what plants crave" (Mike Judge anyone?).

Pics below. I'm gonna update as soon as my new LED from Hydroponics Hut arrives or this time next week, whatever comes first. After that I suspect I'll be able to remove some of the CLFs without harming yield. The onyx that is just under CFL right now will also be moved in with the rest when my other light arrives.View attachment 1669950View attachment 1669951View attachment 1669954View attachment 1669956View attachment 1669957

Your thoughts and musing are welcome and will be taken into consideration. Thanks for checkin my journal!
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Have you grown any regular size grows under your leds or have they all been autos ?

also do you live here in the us , just asking cuz you said you get yours from short stuff seeds and i was just curious if they shipped here

Your plants do look good though my man , + rep

iv never grown autos but iv been thinking about it
 
hoss12781

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no I have not grown photo period plants under LEDs. This is the first run I've had with LED period. I chose to use autos because that's what I've primarily grown for the last four years. I'm a hobby grower who just doesn't want to interact with "drug" dealers. Four plants in the rolling hills of Kentucky is a ticketable offense, five is a felony. This keeps me safe from getting screwed by Johnny Law, and keeps my head high when I want it to be. To answer your questions I do believe these lights will grow photo period plants just fine. You might want to top or train to grow bushy instead of lanky. I order all my seeds from dope-seeds.com they always toss in a couple free ones. I also just requested an invoice for an additional 180 Pro Grow from Hydroponics Hut. Hopefully it'll get here soon to join the party.
 
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The auto I bred was accomplished using mainly short stuff genetics. In terms of personal experience I can also highly recommend any autoflowering strain from Sweet Seeds. Just ordered some sweet carmel cream, will be in my next run for sure.
 
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update - second 180 PG arrived today. The blue diesel was chopped and probably didn't get much out of that one, maybe 20g total. A picture below. For reference that plant was started under hps and did 1/2 of its flowering under it until I moved to LED. As I said above not a huge fan of the bd.

Was out of town and my blackbriar has picked up a nitrogen deficiency which hopefully will be corrected with some fox farms tiger bloom that was added today. Super Cali Haze is still kicking ass, node spacing excellent, and is about to jump to full blown flower time. The onyx may wind up being a shorty like the blue diesel but the trics are far more plentiful on this one. As always comments and suggestions welcome. Incubating some Santa seeds from Flash, those will be the first to see only LED from seed to harvest. All the CFLs are gone now that my other 180 Pro Grow has joined the party.DSC00748.jpgDSC00744.jpgDSC00747.jpgDSC00745.jpg
 
dannyboy602

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Nice. Nice. Nice. I'm glad now I bought two blackstars. Can't wait to harvest. And get that cigarette out of your mouth your a kid for for christ sake....
 
hoss12781

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I don't own any blackstars. I considered them until I read some things on this board and other sites that made me scratch them off the list of companies I was considering patronizing. My lights are from LED Wholesalers (a mistake), and Hydroponics Hut (Pro Grow Series - a win).
 
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will update with pics tonight. The little onyx is nearing completion and I actually chopped a sample nug off cause my stash ran dry. The blackbrair has recovered well from the nutriet disaster (my 3 year old poured all kinds of tiger bloom and cal mag on all the plants - yikes!). The super cali haze's leaves are curling upward and dying on the tips, but node spacing is excellent and hopefully I'll be able to balance PH/nutes out and finish her well. Impressed with the pro grows. This unfortunately isn't the best run to showcase them, but its cool cause I just got smore MI-5 fems and some carmel cream from sweet seeds. This will be a perpetual journal that documents my journey into the led world. Just like when I started with HPS it takes some time to get used to. I had to re-think the whole watering/nutes game since the heat factor has dropped big time in my closet. I'll post up the pics tonight, as always (constructive) input from everyone is welcome and appreciated.
 
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I see you have a different medium on the soils surface, what is that and what purpose does it serve?
~What do you plan to do for modifying to the led lights in regards to feeding/watering and growing medium?
~are you going to lst, scrog, ccob or just grow these out naturally?
 
hoss12781

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grow em out au natural making sure to trim fan leaves to promote the bud site growth, especially during the short veg period of autos. My general rule of thumb with autos is to trim the fan leaves when the branches are almost touching the fan leaf above them. This allows more light to reach them and IMO increases overall yield.

In terms of modifying the watering, I had to use close to 40 oz of water every day when I used 2 400w hps lights. The heat dried out the soil big time. With Leds I have eliminated heat stress issues and have to use about 24 oz of water every other day.

Honestly this run isn't up to par with my usual grows, and its not the led lights fault. I travel on business, growing is merely a hobby and after being out of town for over a week (my wife helps water when I'm gone) found my son had decided to 'help' by pouring nutes everywhere which royally screwed things up, now its mostly rectified except for the super cali, check pics tonight advice is needed! Of the 5 fem super cali's I ordered this is the only one that has gone this far. As I said above I really do like Short Stuff Seeds but am thinking this strain is either exceptionally fickle with nutes and hard to grow, or was released to the market before it was ready.

At any rate, as I said this will be a perpetual journal, and next in line is MI-5 a strain I've grow very successfully in the past. I'll also have the caramel cream from sweet seeds which I haven't grown but have used some of their other auto strains.

All the mediums are the same, I just put rocks on top of the soil because I had a gnat problem from the tomato plants we started right before this grow. Putting perlite or rocks over the top of the soil leaves no room for the gnats to reproduce and eliminates the issue.

Pics tonight for sure. Thanks for checking my journal loudpac
 
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All the mediums are the same, I just put rocks on top of the soil because I had a gnat problem from the tomato plants we started right before this grow. Putting perlite or rocks over the top of the soil leaves no room for the gnats to reproduce and eliminates the issue.

Pics tonight for sure. Thanks for checking my journal loudpac
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Thats a lifesaver; I had a gnat infestation in my last grow. Didnt seem to affect the growth of the plant at all though, hence y I didnt discover it until like the last week. Flushed one day and next morning I saw the soil literally was drenched in white/opaque larvae.

-Hows the switchable spectrum on the pro-gro's working out?
-are you goign to try and use the veg mode on your next one to see what it can do or just full spectrum all the way through?
 
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Dig the switchable spectrum. I bought my leds after these plants were already started so these were actually vegged under hps/cfl. As the black briar and onyx are in late flowering now I've switched to just the flowering spectrum about a week ago, they've responded well to it. When I get off work I'll post some detailed pics. As I said before this first run with leds and this particular batch has been somewhat basterdized as I was out of state for a week on business, another week for personal vacation, and the nute disaster, but I still expect to pull over an oz off the black briar, maybe 3/4 an oz off the onyx. I usually take way better care of my plants but work and a week in Miami were calling my name. Gonna need some help with the super cali haze to bring her to full term, would appreciate any advice once pics are up. Really looking forward to my next grow. It will be all LED start to finish and I have little doubt the pro grows will deliver the goods.
 
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pictures! Please help diagnose the problem with the super cali haze (big one with dead tips everywhere). Black Briar recovering from nute issues well, its the second biggest. The shorty is the onyx, which should be done soon. Pac Man - a demo of the just red spectrum. I snapped a pic without flash under the lights to give you a good idea. Cheers!
 

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thanks man, from the link possibly potassium toxicity? I honestly have no clue, given I'm using Miracle Grow Moisture Control potting soil and only know my son poured unknown nutes at an unknown level of concentration into the soil its a crap shoot. I'm flushing and hoping the roots will recover. I've noticed they aren't absorbing water like they used to. We'll see ...

By the way my grow room (spare bedroom used for storage, 4 plant pot garden and vegetable garden) is almost always locked with a dead bolt, I just happened to forget and like clockwork my 3 year old made his way in there. I'll be moving the entire set up to a locked grow tent soon enough. By the way where did you order your seeds from your PC Grow? Got mine from dope-seeds.com. They've always came through for me so haven't tried anyone else, but am interested in seeing what others recommend.
 
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I ordered my seeds from http://marijuana-seeds.nl/, i've alway recieved good genetics despite never really hearing about them. I tried out W.O.S (world of seeds) this time around and they seem legit, wont be able to speak on their gentics until i start up my next grow n a few weeks. personally i'd reccomend MS.nl because the deals and package offers they have. Their prices tend to change seasonaly so when they limited time offer they mean it.

As for the girls prob, here's my solution to all probs that i run into.
~usually I roll one up and blow it down to relieve the anxiety from wondering whats going on.
~then head to borders or barnes and noble and pick up a jorge cervantes grow bible or whichever suites my needs
~read until i find what im looking for and return home, works everytime.

ay, cant be too mad at the lil one, just tryna follow in his dads footsteps haha.

one hting i've tried and has worked for (me) is if i cant fix the prob with the soil, i take the plant out wash the dirt(not all but most of it) away leaving me the roots and re-pot. Not advising it just what i do and it's worked for me.
 
hoss12781

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Good advice all the way around. I may find myself at B&N looking up some free advice this weekend. The onyx and black briar are well back on track for a decent harvest, but I will resort to cleaning the cali out if nothing else works. She's too big and I've invested too much time to just watch her wither. MI-5 and Sweet Caramel Cream germing in my seed starter right now. Looking forward to round 2 with the pro grows.

Will also consider the site although it looks like they're based in the Netherlands which scares me just a bit, only because I've read that US Customs tends to flag packages from NL, where dope-seeds is based in the UK, but hell if they shipped them to you (if indeed Cloud 9 is located somewhere in the United States) then I'm down to give 'em a whirl.

I wasn't mad at my son, I am upset with myself for not locking the door, he was just trying to lend a hand. Shit my dad has been growing outdoor in the acres of woods behind his property for years ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo

Ha!
 
hoss12781

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Discount Pro Grows on Ebay!! Thought I'd rep Ben and his summer cleaning on his refurbed Pro Grow lights. Don't know how many he has left to flip but thought I'd let everyone know that I just picked up a 250w PG (2010 model) at a monumental discount compared to the new 260w PGs. Emailed him and asked, if won they do carry the full 3 year factory warranty. Apparently there is some good to Ebay when it comes to LED lights. If the discount is anything like I just picked up it is worth the look.
 
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Onyx has been chopped, Black Briar has been chopped. I'm giving the cali some gravity (nutes) to see if I can help her. Haven't tried to re-pot yet that will be the next step if it doesn't clear up. Approx 20g from onyx, 35 from black briar. Sweet carmel cream and MI-5 in the germination station right now. Pics when I get a minute to myself. Black Briar is still curing, onyx is dried and ready. I'm a fan of the led buds over the hid buds. It took a little longer to flower but the wait was worth a "higher" caliber nugget.
 
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