Prop 19 --> effects price in cali --> effects price nation wide?

poplars

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how can anyone expect any type of price drop when the main push here is to TAX it?

any price drop will be made up in taxes.

if you pay 60 today, you will pay 60 tomorrow.

there is NO reason to lower anything.

more stoner pipe dreams. :roll:
50 dollar an oz tax, oz's are 400 in LA, if true competition happens from a legalized market, the price could drop to 200 an oz, with tax is 250 an oz, STILL 150 dollars cheaper!!!
 

UncleBuck

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My question is: How will the massive decrease in the price of weed effect the rest of the US and especially the east coast?
i think that is a loaded question, it presupposes that there will be a massive decrease. as poplars pointed out, that likely ain't going to happen until there is a truly free & legal market. i think it is more likely that prices may drop marginally, about as much as taxes will raise prices on cannabis that you don't grow yourself.

how long will it take for the rest of the states to feel this effect?

will I still be able to get a good price on bud mailed back east?

will I still be able to sell pounds in colorado for 3000?
i don't think the effect will be felt outside california as long as it remains illegal or medical only. especially as you get further away from cali, the cost and risk of transport goes way up, keeping the end product just as expensive. so yeah, probably will be bale to get more out of bud mailed east. not sure about colorado, we'll just have to wait and see.

Im very scared at the effects this may have on me and many members of this community.

so what do you guys think?
what's to be worried about? more access to cannabis for more people is a good thing, even if it ruffles the feathers of a few members of the community who may profit more off the currently quasi legal or illegal status.

its not going to pass. you will see for your self in november. I live in northern cali and sell pounds all day to the clubs for 3700 and dont plan on stopping anytime soon. good luck in Colorado
about a 95% chance that it will based off the most current polling. PPP (public policy polling) just ran its latest poll with over 2000 likely voters (sample sizes up to this point have been 500-600 or so)....yes on prop 19 was ahead by 52%-41%, with 7% undecided. not only is yes on prop 19 ahead, but it is showing a divergence that favors yes more and more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_(2010)#Polls
 

MrStickyScissors

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i think that is a loaded question, it presupposes that there will be a massive decrease. as poplars pointed out, that likely ain't going to happen until there is a truly free & legal market. i think it is more likely that prices may drop marginally, about as much as taxes will raise prices on cannabis that you don't grow yourself.



i don't think the effect will be felt outside california as long as it remains illegal or medical only. especially as you get further away from cali, the cost and risk of transport goes way up, keeping the end product just as expensive. so yeah, probably will be bale to get more out of bud mailed east. not sure about colorado, we'll just have to wait and see.



what's to be worried about? more access to cannabis for more people is a good thing, even if it ruffles the feathers of a few members of the community who may profit more off the currently quasi legal or illegal status.



about a 95% chance that it will based off the most current polling. PPP (public policy polling) just ran its latest poll with over 2000 likely voters (sample sizes up to this point have been 500-600 or so)....yes on prop 19 was ahead by 52%-41%, with 7% undecided. not only is yes on prop 19 ahead, but it is showing a divergence that favors yes more and more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_(2010)#Polls
looks like I better find a connect out side of cali to bring my shit to lol. looks like my 99 plant recommendation wont be gud anymore either
 

MrStickyScissors

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prop 19 does not take away your medical grow. don't be giving away any of those 99 plants just yet.
lol yeah I better hold on to them a little longer just in case. I wish I had 99 plants I cant fit that many in my 4 bedroom house. I have 63 in 3 gallon pots and 63 in one gallon pots vegging. would be a shame if they tryed to make me fit all that into 25 scf
 

UncleBuck

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lol yeah I better hold on to them a little longer just in case. I wish I had 99 plants I cant fit that many in my 4 bedroom house. I have 63 in 3 gallon pots and 63 in one gallon pots vegging. would be a shame if they tryed to make me fit all that into 25 scf
63 + 63 > 99, no?

the 25 sq ft is only for recreational users. medical limits remain the same
 

poplars

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63 + 63 > 99, no?

the 25 sq ft is only for recreational users. medical limits remain the same
supposidly .... I read the entire bill and nowhere did it say specifically that medical users have their rights to grow as many plants as stated....
 

UncleBuck

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supposidly .... I read the entire bill and nowhere did it say specifically that medical users have their rights to grow as many plants as stated....
here is the text of prop 19

7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city’s limits remain illegal, but that the city’s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.


http://yeson19.com/node/6



in case you are wondering what 11362.5, 11362.7, ans 11362.9 are....just google them.




 

MrStickyScissors

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supposidly .... I read the entire bill and nowhere did it say specifically that medical users have their rights to grow as many plants as stated....
im not talking about prop 19. my recommendation as of now is the highest you can get 99 plants. I drove 4 hours to clear lake to get it to
 

poplars

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here is the text of prop 19

7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city’s limits remain illegal, but that the city’s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.


http://yeson19.com/node/6



in case you are wondering what 11362.5, 11362.7, ans 11362.9 are....just google them.




thanks man that actually is good enough for me...
 
there is NO reason to lower anything.

more stoner pipe dreams. :roll:

how can anyone expect any type of price drop when the main push here is to TAX it?

any price drop will be made up in taxes.

if you pay 60 today, you will pay 60 tomorrow.
That's a bunch of BS. The only reason that marijuana prices are inflated are due to its illegality and involvement within the black market. Like in another post, I explained that marijauna is a crop, and like many other crops it can be produced on such a large scale with such a bountiful output that prices drop very low. That is why in the case of crop farmers, the government steps in and places price floors on certain crops because they would yield absolutely nothing to the farmer if he were to sell them on the free market.

It is in the best interest of the smoker/consumer (and not the grower/distributor) that you allow corporations and private entities to come in and take over this. The opportunity cost is far too high for you to grow your own when you can just go in and buy it. Economies of scale changes a shit load in terms of microeconomics within the business world. The same will go for marijuana. And if price competition does begin (which I don't believe it immediately will), you can expect very low prices. Harvard Economists and others have published studies acknowledging the price drop that is to occur once it becomes legal. And there will be an incentive to actually lower the price for businesses that are looking to attract customers. And I can't believe you would think the tax would be absurdly high.

According to wikipedia, the number crunchers in Cali used $50 tax on an ounce in terms of projecting revenues. And if economies of scale do occur, you can expect yourself to pass less than a $100 for an ounce. Not only will revenue be generated, but the cost of pursuing individuals that use marijuana will be cut, the legal system behind it will be cut, and all funding for marijuana regulation is expected to come from the tax on marijuana.

There are plenty of individuals interested in this. From this Phillip Morris to the wealthy individuals that are looking to capitalize on this. They can and will be your best choice at the end of the day if everything plays out as it should.
 

Serapis

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I agree with the above post. Take away the criminal aspect of growing weed and prices will come down because of supply/demand and competition.
 

akgrown

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because they are greedy dicks. I usually never pay more than 50 an 1/8th but will pay 60 for some supa dank meds. medibles are where its at, I can usually get people to donate a lb of trim to me which is enough for 8 lbs single dose and 4lbs double dose. I promise them a dozen truffles then get to sell the rest to dispensaries. I sell truffles for a buck a piece they sell em for 3 usually. If any one here lives in SD and wantrs to part with their trimmings for some truffles PM me.
 
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