Protect your pets - dealing with cannabis toxicity

morgentaler said:

All the animals in that study received medical care, as noted in "management consisted of".

Genfranco, you are a fucking moron and a troll.

If you don't think a dog will ingest a substantial quantity of something, put an entire plate of dinner that would make YOU full on the floor and see if the dog eats it.

I reiterate. You are a moron.

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Look, your not understanding .. and its ok..

if insulting me makes you feel better then right on... go pay a couple hundred dollars for your vet to jack off the dog...

Just for your.. i dont know.. small mind to get a story in the head.

I have a 4 pound chihuahua...

one day i came from the store with a bag of chocolate penut balls from the store.. probabyl a good pound of them so the kids can have treats....

I was having my kids help me put away shit in the kitchen and they dropped that bag and didnt pick it up... I was still grabbing shit fromt he truck and my wife was inside with the kids putting shit away...

NOw this little dog got in that bag... and eat a shit load of them before i come in and see her munchingpractically in the bag!...

I shit you not this dog looked like a bean bag. its like she was eating the peanuts whole.... well guess what... with all that chocolate.. and how little she weighd she should have died no problem.. i mean any vet would say to pump her and chocolate will kill her and the peanuts will stop shit from moving inside and all that... I really thought this dog had eaten herself to death... I mean she looked like a bean bag with ears....LOL

well she started throwing up a few hours later... took a couple of shits and was fine... Saved me over 800$

Im just saying that the medical industry sometimes likes to freak people out to get the money... Calm down.

arent you harvesting right now or something?... i mean tis the season... how can you be so angry?...

genfranco said:

well she started throwing up a few hours later... took a couple of shits and was fine... Saved me over 800$

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hahaha its like i walked in on a funny anecdote......



sorry

go back to your argument...

The LD50 on theobromine is based on pure bakers chocolate.
Not milk chocolate.

One lucky experience doesn't make you more knowledgeable of canine biochemistry than veterinarians.

my friends rabbit f..k his stash up im talking crippy and the lil fu.ker did not die . he was rocking back and fourth but he looked chill in a few hours he was fine

K, let's agree that you guys keep feeding your pets pot, and the sensible people stick to using it themselves.

Don Gin and Ton said:

hahaha its like i walked in on a funny anecdote......



sorry

go back to your argument...

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no i was getting tired of it all... these peeps just dont want to listen.

do as you wish peeps!

the op has the give-away as to which side of the bias fence they're sitting on with:

morgentaler said:

Toxin
Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)

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Pets are more commonly poisoned from marijuana through ingestion other than inhalation. THC is the toxin that causes the symptoms and is absorbed quickly after ingestion. [etc]

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start out with the assumption that thc is "poison" and, sure enough, any/all exposure is ipso facto "poisoning"...

but where are the case studies showing animal/canine mortality from thc "poisoning"?

'been searching the net and sure can't find any...

what i have found suggest just the opposite, that ~

"Acute toxicity studies [in animals] show that it is virtually impossible to die from acute administration of marijuana or tetrahydrocannabinol"
[ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16237478?dopt=Abstract ]

"An LD50 was not attainable in monkeys and dogs by the oral route. Enormous dose levels (over 3000 mg/kg of Delta 9 THC) were administered without lethality
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In summary, enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marihuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals
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The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking."
[ http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/LIBRARY/studies/nc/nc1e.htm ]

see also ==> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1165134?dopt=AbstractPlus


cheers
-g

now, mind you, i'm not necessarily advocating getting yer pet high...
(though i've had cats that surely did enjoy it and seek it out as anecdotaly reported by many others, and my six month old puppy seems rather fondly inquisitive (certainly not adverse) to my toking), but let's all chill with the hysteria. i love my little pup—she's family (and much more highly esteemed by me than many other members of my human family)—and i'd never intentionally do anything to hurt or harm her, so i've been pretty interested in this whole "discussion"... but i've as yet to see any substantive support/evidence for the claim that marijuana can be fatal. can your pet have an adverse reaction to getting high? sure. but then so can many people. 'suppose then that the same common sense should apply... if it doesn't feel good, don't do it. if it works for you (and/or your pet) then blaze away!

cheers
-g

Ah, a reasoned response

Yes, generally it's not going to be fatal, especially if managed, and the amount consumed needs to be substantial for the size of the dog. But my dog has managed to eat a whole box of cookies by herself, and I'd have had trouble eating that many

My old vet had one dog die from cannabis toxicity. There's no reason for it if people understand that what's harmless for us, isn't necessarily harmless to our pets.

Anyway, the pubmed study deals with inhaled THC, as noted by the airway and lung mentions.

Enormous dose levels (over 3000 mg/kg of Delta 9 THC) were administered without lethality to most animals. A dose of about 1000 mg/kg THC was the lowest dose which caused death in any animals

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It doesn't specify which animals got the 1000mg dose on druglibrary, but it acknowledges there were fatalities.

The information I posted was from a veterinary site, with the addition of the hydrogen peroxide tips, which my vet gave me when my dog was bored in the car and ripped open a package of prescription meds left in a knapsack. That was a scary afternoon.

georgi345 said:

the op has the give-away as to which side of the bias fence they're sitting on with:

start out with the assumption that thc is "poison" and, sure enough, any/all exposure is ipso facto "poisoning"...

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Forgot to address this part.
All substances are toxic. It's just a matter of quantity. Water, oxygen, aluminum, and nickel can all kill you in the right amounts. When reading pages on toxicology you will find that whatever the substance is, it's going to be considered a toxin.

And I still agree that there's no THC threat to people. But there have been issues with pets, so having the treatment info available, and the symptoms available is important.

If you come home and find your dog behaving strangely, or comatose, then with the information available you can know to start checking your stash, see if any was consumed, and what action to take.

Too bad weed can have thc contents as high as 20ish percent now days so those figures are a bit off mostly.

I had a dog get into my baked goods when I had them in a grocery bag. I can't remember how many she ate. They were on the table only for a minute but she is a terrier and will get into whatever the fuck she feels like.

Within an hour she was done fucked up. She would look at me with this hilarious glare in her eye like why the fuck do you eat these??
Another hour went by and she was passed out. Didn't wake up for 24 hours and seemed a little off and hung over after that.

You want to know what happened to me the first time I ate a few strong cannabis edibles. I got really high, had this wierd glare to my gaze and passed out to this huge weight that seemed to be pushing me into the couch.

About a day later I woke up and was still high and kind of hung over from it.

I would take an animal to the vet for THC poisoning as soon as I would take a human.