Proud Boys assaulting a couple for ~90 seconds nsfw

DIY-HP-LED

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Or he wears very high heels when he goes out and is not too used to them, walking down ramps in pumps is a bitch and Donald jacks his height up a good 3" or more with lifts and heels. I'm not says he's not fucked up and if he does have the above condition, wearing heels when he goes out and not around the WH would cause problems.
 

schuylaar

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Or he wears very high heels when he goes out and is not too used to them, walking down ramps in pumps is a bitch and Donald jacks his height up a good 3" or more with lifts and heels. I'm not says he's not fucked up and if he does have the above condition, wearing heels when he goes out and not around the WH would cause problems.
i understand he has lifts but so do many men and they don't look this way and considering he's been wearing high heels for forever, he should be used to them.

that weird lumbering with his arms dangling right in front and all the other symptoms listed are a resounding yes.

his father had dementia and it's a big fear of his..no doubt he would try to hide it.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Since conald is carrying putin's water he seems to not be concerned with the latest hack attack. So are the proud boys in agreement?
They will avoid it and appear to be dropping Donald. There are other elements dropping Q shit and antivaccer messages who aren't tied to Trump. They can more effectively reach fresh meat if they lose Donald, some just sow doubt, some spout antivaccer or whatever other conspiracy that adds to the noise and confuses he facts. Q drops as they call them will become more frequent too, there appears to have been an increase in the number and variety of trolls. Perhaps they are being driven off facebook and twitter, or perhaps some are just Trumpers crawling out now that Donald is done along with a few bitter enders. I'm not keen on coincident, or of the Russians bothering with RIU too much, except as a test bed or something. I'm sure they have a big list of all the social media platforms and forums and forums run by humans where things can't propagate too much are low on that list.
 

Fogdog

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Interesting. I’ve probably read every book ever written about Lincoln and this characterization of him doesn’t fit what I’ve read.

I do know that his pragmatism served him well and his views on race changed while being president. He always thought slavery was abhorrent but also understood the impact that abolishing it would have on the southern economy. He wasn’t an abolitionist at first so that fits with the oppression and human rights violations. He also believed the races couldn’t live peacefully with each other and promoted colonization of freed African Americans but his views changed on that as well. His friendship with Frederick Douglass enlightened him to the problem with that policy. Had he lived through a second term, reconstruction would have been drastically different and highly unlikely that the Jim Crow laws and segregation would have happened. I think it’s also important to remember that Lincoln was a politician first.

If Lincoln isn’t worthy of having a school named after him for the reasons quoted in the article, neither is any of the founding fathers.
Lincoln was pretty much racist. We are still not good at recognizing that. He was a key figure in our history who at the outset of the war said he would not abolish slavery and only changed his mind when it became politically expedient to do so.

Our form of slavery and its aftermath (that we are still dealing with), was particularly racist and vile. Black families in the US have a valid point when they question naming a school after Lincoln.
 

hanimmal

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Lincoln was pretty much racist. We are still not good at recognizing that. He was a key figure in our history who at the outset of the war said he would not abolish slavery and only changed his mind when it became politically expedient to do so.

Our form of slavery and its aftermath (that we are still dealing with), was particularly racist and vile. Black families in the US have a valid point when they question naming a school after Lincoln.
I was thinking more the indigenous people of the land have the gripe with Lincoln, but can see what you mean too.
 

Skoal

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you have to be kidding me. That is fucked up. I guess no one got charged eh. That dude got fucked up. SUrpriwed he was still standing. He looked confused as fuck though.
 

CunningCanuk

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Lincoln was pretty much racist. We are still not good at recognizing that. He was a key figure in our history who at the outset of the war said he would not abolish slavery and only changed his mind when it became politically expedient to do so.

Our form of slavery and its aftermath (that we are still dealing with), was particularly racist and vile. Black families in the US have a valid point when they question naming a school after Lincoln.
“If I could save the union without freeing any slave I would do it”

I agree completely, Lincoln was definitely racist and saving the union was his primary focus. The emancipation proclamation was meant to hurt the south’s war effort more than anything else.

The thing I admired about him was his pragmatism and his willingness to change his beliefs. He was less racist when he died than he was when he was first elected president, so he did grow as a human being. I give him marks for that, but not a pass and I didn’t mean to imply African American families didn’t have a valid concern.

I wasn’t able to open the article and was responding to the clip posted by the OP. Because of that I should have reserved comment. One dayI’ll learn. Maybe.
 

Budley Doright

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Buying property doesn't automatically include the water rights, or mineral rights
I knew about mineral right seeings how a get prospectors through here every few years but no one comes looking for water lol. So are any of you guys restricted from drilling a well if you want? We just stop all development and not just the well lol.
 

Fogdog

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“If I could save the union without freeing any slave I would do it”

I agree completely, Lincoln was definitely racist and saving the union was his primary focus. The emancipation proclamation was meant to hurt the south’s war effort more than anything else.

The thing I admired about him was his pragmatism and his willingness to change his beliefs. He was less racist when he died than he was when he was first elected president, so he did grow as a human being. I give him marks for that, but not a pass and I didn’t mean to imply African American families didn’t have a valid concern.

I wasn’t able to open the article and was responding to the clip posted by the OP. Because of that I should have reserved comment. One dayI’ll learn. Maybe.
It's complicated. Lincoln did write the Emancipation Proclamation and he was a great leader. What this country got and gets wrong is how bad our system of slavery was. Black people were treated like livestock with breeding programs, auctions, killing, beating or maiming at the discretion of the slave owner, not to mention rape. The typical life span of a black person was 20 years, half that of whites. It was illegal for a slave owner to free their slaves. There was no way for a person to buy themselves out of slavery and their children were born into it. Marriage was not recognized and families could be broken up, sold off. Generational race based chattel slavery like ours was, is almost unheard of in human history. With all of that in the background, Lincoln did not see its abolition as worthy of risking the union of the states. Lincoln was not exceptional in this regard. He wasn't better either. I'm not in the camp that we should revile his name but I can see why people might not want to have their kids attend a school that is named in honor of him. I'm not going to argue with somebody over it, it's just that I feel we should be honest about what occurred.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It's complicated. Lincoln did write the Emancipation Proclamation and he was a great leader. What this country got and gets wrong is how bad our system of slavery was. Black people were treated like livestock with breeding programs, auctions, killing, beating or maiming at the discretion of the slave owner, not to mention rape. The typical life span of a black person was 20 years, half that of whites. It was illegal for a slave owner to free their slaves. There was no way for a person to buy themselves out of slavery and their children were born into it. Marriage was not recognized and families could be broken up, sold off. Generational race based chattel slavery like ours was, is almost unheard of in human history. With all of that in the background, Lincoln did not see its abolition as worthy of risking the union of the states. Lincoln was not exceptional in this regard. He wasn't better either. I'm not in the camp that we should revile his name but I can see why people might not want to have their kids attend a school that is named in honor of him. I'm not going to argue with somebody over it, it's just that I feel we should be honest about what occurred.
It's tricky business judging historical figures outside of the context of their times, but even then the evils of slavery were well known and many people were appalled by it. That's not to say that many who opposed to it were not racists at least by today's standards. Those who could reach out and overcome their conditioned biases were much more rare than they are now and most abolitionists were driven by religion. Once Lincoln actually met a black man like Fredrick Douglass his personal attitude started to rapidly evolve, he didn't shut down, but was open and empathetic. This wealthy railroad lawyer became involved with the republican party because of abolition and ended up with the 14th amendment. Was he perfect, no not by a long shot, but he was a far better man than most. Stripping away the myth, he did more good than bad and was a driving force for liberalism.

Most union soldiers were racists, the vast majority of white ones were not too different than the southerners they fought against. As president, Lincoln's first priority was the preservation of the country, the union and everything else was of secondary importance. Once the north got on it's feet militarily, was geared up for war and the threat of dissolution diminished, the priorities changed, to the point where the 14th amendment caused near panic in the south. Freeing the slaves was one thing, making African Americans equals with the franchise was something they never dreamed of in their worse nightmares. Native Americans never had the franchise either, but that changed too.
 

CunningCanuk

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It's complicated. Lincoln did write the Emancipation Proclamation and he was a great leader. What this country got and gets wrong is how bad our system of slavery was. Black people were treated like livestock with breeding programs, auctions, killing, beating or maiming at the discretion of the slave owner, not to mention rape. The typical life span of a black person was 20 years, half that of whites. It was illegal for a slave owner to free their slaves. There was no way for a person to buy themselves out of slavery and their children were born into it. Marriage was not recognized and families could be broken up, sold off. Generational race based chattel slavery like ours was, is almost unheard of in human history. With all of that in the background, Lincoln did not see its abolition as worthy of risking the union of the states. Lincoln was not exceptional in this regard. He wasn't better either. I'm not in the camp that we should revile his name but I can see why people might not want to have their kids attend a school that is named in honor of him. I'm not going to argue with somebody over it, it's just that I feel we should be honest about what occurred.
Thanks fogdog, good post. I appreciate it.

I wasn’t able to open the article and commented on the quote of the article that stated, what I thought, was an arbitrary school district naming committee. Had I read the article to better understand the issue that families were involved and why, I probably wouldn’t have made a comment. Lessen learned.

I would not argue with any family that felt that way and I would be on their side.
 

Fogdog

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It's tricky business judging historical figures outside of the context of their times, but even then the evils of slavery were well known and many people were appalled by it. That's not to say that many who opposed to it were not racists at least by today's standards. Those who could reach out and overcome their conditioned biases were much more rare than they are now and most abolitionists were driven by religion. Once Lincoln actually met a black man like Fredrick Douglass his personal attitude started to rapidly evolve, he didn't shut down, but was open and empathetic. This wealthy railroad lawyer became involved with the republican party because of abolition and ended up with the 14th amendment. Was he perfect, no not by a long shot, but he was a far better man than most. Stripping away the myth, he did more good than bad and was a driving force for liberalism.

Most union soldiers were racists, the vast majority of white ones were not too different than the southerners they fought against. As president, Lincoln's first priority was the preservation of the country, the union and everything else was of secondary importance. Once the north got on it's feet militarily, was geared up for war and the threat of dissolution diminished, the priorities changed, to the point where the 14th amendment caused near panic in the south. Freeing the slaves was one thing, making African Americans equals with the franchise was something they never dreamed of in their worse nightmares. Native Americans never had the franchise either, but that changed too.
Spinning it back to today, there are worthy reasons why people might not want Lincoln's name on the school people kids attend. What you say is accurate and true. We probably need to fix some of the history books that are taught today in those same schools. It might be more important than just changing the school's name. If not for Lincoln, the union might have failed and the southern system of slavery would have continued for who know how much longer, so let's give him some credit where its due too.
 

QUAD BREATH

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Hey bud..why aint you doing victory laps? Your boy won right? Wheres your digital inaugurations and parties? Why?....because you didnt win shit. You are panicked because of the simple math that dont add up.
Keep kneeling bro..just like your nazi propaganda demands you.

Jan 6th is our day , the salt will flow. Our country will return to normal and be better than before. There will be no zombie antifa meth apocolyps. The democray party is done. A new patriot party will he born.
LOL

god damn, how dumb can someone possibly be
 
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