Psychadelibuds Underground Laboratory

psychadelibud said:

Sorry, I misunderstood your question the first time. I've never seen them listed on a seed bank, I ordered straight from their website.

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thought u had the real deal?why hunt??

thumper60 said:

thought u had the real deal?why hunt??

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I do have it. I just wanna see how it compares, I am a huge sucker for skunk strains... I am working on a "personal" seed line, with the Kentucky Road Kill skunk and gonna do some hunting/crossing (all while keeping the original line as well of course) and one day hope to start up my own thing in the biz.

Although I do have the Kentucky Roadkill, seeds, clone only and pollen, I still like dabbling in other things. I guess the description just set me off with how many different phenos their is to be found in that particular line... Something good will come of it, I'm sure.

psychadelibud said:

I do have it. I just wanna see how it compares, I am a huge sucker for skunk strains... I am working on a "personal" seed line, with the Kentucky Road Kill skunk and gonna do some hunting/crossing (all while keeping the original line as well of course) and one day hope to start up my own thing in the biz.

Although I do have the Kentucky Roadkill, seeds, clone only and pollen, I still like dabbling in other things. I guess the description just set me off with how many different phenos their is to be found in that particular line... Something good will come of it, I'm sure.

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It should be pretty stable already. At least that's my thought , when you start back crossing it with other plants is when you will come into strain and selection and father selection.
There are alot of cross's the Kentucky skunk as I call it would cross well with to I prove the taste and smell- production of. .the chi co mess to mind actually , I think the skunk would over power the smell of her and the chi would increase production and bud structure. Maybe increase some potency also.

max420thc said:

It should be pretty stable already. At least that's my thought , when you start back crossing it with other plants is when you will come into strain and selection and father selection.
There are alot of cross's the Kentucky skunk as I call it would cross well with to I prove the taste and smell- production of. .the chi co mess to mind actually , I think the skunk would over power the smell of her and the chi would increase production and bud structure. Maybe increase some potency also.

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Oh the KYRKS is very very stable and very few pheno variations at that. No matter what I end up working and the crosses I make, I will always preserve the original. I do an open pollination of the RKS at least once or twice a year to preserve the genetics. It will never die.

I'm just interested in working it into other lines and seeing what I can do with it, while preserving the original of course...

I will always have the original on hand till the day I die.

Got some news...

I still have not put the ladies in flower yet. Early am I finished setting things up and the temps are actually "manageable" now... Staying between 73 and 77 degrees depending on how I set my democratically controlled outlet.

I planned on getting everything positioned and cleaned real well and starting flower tonight.

Today I was out checking the mail, I got a good stout whiff off the crop and it isn't even flowering. I believe I have smell seeping through the edges of my two block buster hoods as they are not sealed as well as my new magnum xxxl's...

But before I start this whole process I am going to run one more test to determine which route I am going to choose. I am gonna open those hoods up, not fully remove the glass as of yet, as that's just more trouble and time that I don't wanna waste but just the the glass hang open... That will replicate open hoods well enough. Then I am going to put the filter/fan straight to the wall on the TSC outlet and see how well it works without 36 feet of duct and having to run two fans. This will completely eliminate my odor for sure. Also it would be more economical than my current set up... I feel that it will work great.

Will update on than results! @max420thc thank you for all of that wonderful information, you know your stuff and I agree with it all completely.

I will be making a road trip to Kentucky soon.
I have a lot going on right now but in the not to distant future I will for sure be headed down your way.

max420thc said:

I will be making a road trip to Kentucky soon.
I have a lot going on right now but in the not to distant future I will for sure be headed down your way.

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What area or part of Kentucky will you be heading to bud?

Are you up North now?

Well, I ran the setup last night the way I had it, when I said I was maintaining temps at mid 70s... The temps outside has risen a bit, from the 30s to the low 50s... And guess what happened... Temps stayed at a steady 82 degrees and that's not my preference. Some people don't mind flowering in the low 80s but not me... In my experience in the past anything over 80 degrees causes really stretchy bud development and lots of spacing between internodes, which we don't like.

So I have narrowed it down to two options... The current filter I have is a 24 inch Phresh. They are great filters and I have never found another brand to compare to the efficiency of Phresh other than Mountain Air brand.

Thing is, they are super dense and slows the airflow down significantly.. So here is my idea...

About 6 years ago I ordered a tent/grow kit combo from grow ace. It came with a cheapo 6 inch carbon filter and its maybe 2 inches shorter than the 24 inch Phresh I am currently using and almost less than half the weight.

I remember when I first got the grow kit, I had a 440 cfm fan that was not speed adjustable. I hooked everything up and the fan sucked the air through that filter wayyyy watt too fast and it was causing a decent amount of odor leak and too much suction for the 5x5 I was growing in at the time...

So that's when I ordered my first Phresh filter and it slowed the airflow by like almost 40 to 50% and no more odor leaks. At the time I rented and that is why I was so on edge about the odor, any little leak and I tripped out over it.

Well that first cheap filter was used for maybe 2 weeks tops, and when my Phresh arrived, I sealed the cheapo filter back up and kept it in storage in air tight plastic and just happened to remember about this last night.

So what I am thinking, since I own my own property now and I am a good ways away from any civilisation I don't have to worry as much about odor as I did then... Yes it is still important to me and gives me a great peace of mind but a little during the winter months does not bother me so much. I could try and use that filter instead of my Phresh, since it allows a much larger percentage of air to be pulled through at a faster rate and although I may get a little odor escape its better than nothing at all.

I mean if it increases airflow even by as little as 15%, that should drop my temps down a few degrees which would be acceptable for my preference.

What do you guys think? Sorry about the long read but dammit this has been frustrating enough...

psychadelibud said:

Well, I ran the setup last night the way I had it, when I said I was maintaining temps at mid 70s... The temps outside has risen a bit, from the 30s to the low 50s... And guess what happened... Temps stayed at a steady 82 degrees and that's not my preference. Some people don't mind flowering in the low 80s but not me... In my experience in the past anything over 80 degrees causes really stretchy bud development and lots of spacing between internodes, which we don't like.

So I have narrowed it down to two options... The current filter I have is a 24 inch Phresh. They are great filters and I have never found another brand to compare to the efficiency of Phresh other than Mountain Air brand

Thing is, they are super dense and slows the airflow down significantly.. So here is my idea...

About 6 years ago I ordered a tent/grow kit combo from grow ace. It came with a cheapo 6 inch carbon filter and its maybe 2 inches shorter than the 24 inch Phresh I am currently using and almost less than half the weight.

I remember when I first got the grow kit, I had a 440 cfm fan that was not speed adjustable. I hooked everything up and the fan sucked the air through that filter wayyyy watt too fast and it was causing a decent amount of odor leak and too much suction for the 5x5 I was growing in at the time...

So that's when I ordered my first Phresh filter and it slowed the airflow by like almost 40 to 50% and no more odor leaks. At the time I rented and that is why I was so on edge about the odor, any little leak and I tripped out over it.

Well that first cheap filter was used for maybe 2 weeks tops, and when my Phresh arrived, I sealed the cheapo filter back up and kept it in storage in air tight plastic and just happened to remember about this last night.

So what I am thinking, since I own my own property now and I am a good ways away from any civilisation I don't have to worry as much about odor as I did then... Yes it is still important to me and gives me a great peace of mind but a little during the winter months does not bother me so much. I could try and use that filter instead of my Phresh, since it allows a much larger percentage of air to be pulled through at a faster rate and although I may get a little odor escape its better than nothing at all.

I mean if it increases airflow even by as little as 15%, that should drop my temps down a few degrees which would be acceptable for my preference.

What do you guys think? Sorry about the long read but dammit this has been frustrating enough...

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maybe might work I think u will be upgrading to a 8 or 10 an turning fan down then u will have what ya looking for,with a 8 or 10 the way red had it will work if u do upgrade just get the 10 an turn it down

Just a suggestion having briefly gone through your thread, if power consumption is even a slight concern, I'd recommend replacing your T5's with T5 LED's. They're a bit pricey, but have a 120* angle vs the 360 of a conventional bulb, and in addition to that, consume about half the power.

I hooked up the filter, wow... Much more airflow. Like double the amount. It actually made the door hard to push open... But temps still rising to 80s!..

Now I believe I may have discovered an issue, something that could be causing a problem all along.

Just for the hell of it, I turned the exhaust fan off (not the one on the filter) but the one that pulls cool air through the air cooled hoods. I get the cool air for the hoods sucked in above the inlet, duct through wall to the lung room where the cold air is, the air is sucked through lights and met with a Y fitting where the filter/other fan also joins..

Well, I noticed that above the inlet, the hole where the duct is that pulls cold air through the hoods, was blowing out hot air, once I turned the air cooled hood fan off. So the Y fitting must not be working correctly and the fan that pulls air through the filter is battling/competing in a push pull contest with the fan that sucks in air through the hoods... I believe this could be causing the issue.

What I believe may correct the problem is, removing the Y duct fitting and running each exhaust through the wall separately, exhausted outside through two different exits.

How large is the room in Cuft ? How large is the fan in CFM?
What size of duct comes off of the fan? .
If the fan and filter can handle the pressures put the fan on a tstat. It will only cone on when it hits let's say around 75 degrees, suck enough air in the room to cool it off with outside air, either a filtered make up air grill leading to someplace outside or allow it to pull through the cracks in the room/ building, so long as sufficient air is sucked into the room(negative pressure) it should cool the room well. If you can pull enough outside air in every couple of min it should control the temperature. I agree I like my room at around 75 degrees. And 65 with lights off. Complete air change over in the room every few min and it should not heat up, if you have a old flue,chimney or window and you can vent through those, or into a attic .
You may need a larger.filter to lower the static pressure off of the fan and through the filter,
You can get carbon oder control filters from Lowe's or home Depot, not as good as a carbon filter and ever purchase a filter media box or have one made from a sheet metal shop to hold the filter, this will relieve that static pressure allowing it to draw more air through it.
You still need how many cfm the fan pulls and how large your room is in Cuft. Figure a complete room change over in air about once every three or four min and no way can the room reach temp fast enough before it is evacuated

I am working on exhausting each fan/duct out separetely instead of together into that "Y" right now. This is my last try... If it doesn't work, I'm gonna purchase a 8 inch inline fan with a 6 inch reducer to take care of the job....

But I hope this works.

I can be at the Mason Dixon in a little over three hours, just need to know where I need to land in KY , where do you want me brother ?

I'm in Kentucky , o lowdee in the south again

I go into Arby's to get something to eat and the bill comes out to 7 dollars and 4 cents, the cashier watches me fish around in the bottom of my pocket for the four cents, when I finally pull it out of my pocket she hands me back three dollars in quarters , and looked at me strange for laughing.
Welcome to Kentucky

max420thc said:

I go into Arby's to get something to eat and the bill comes out to 7 dollars and 4 cents, the cashier watches me fish around in the bottom of my pocket for the four cents, when I finally pull it out of my pocket she hands me back three dollars in quarters , and looked at me strange for laughing.
Welcome to Kentucky

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Hey buddy, I am glad to hear that you are in the bluegrass!

Man I hate to be the bummer, but I likely won't be able to hang tonight or tomorrow. I have a lot going on right now, not only with my grow room issues but other things I have going on as well...

Maybe next time you are down this way give me a shout max, be safe brother the roads are terrible right now. What part of Ky are you headed to??"

I would like to give a new update on the room.... I have be been at it off and on since 1am this morning trying to dial in the venting and ducting. It has wore me out and down completely...

Finally, I went with the straight duct out from fan/filter then the duct coming off my hoods is also vented straight out, I did away with the Y fitting. Had to drill out another 6 inch outlet/exhaust into the concrete wall. Hooked every thing up and set the thermostatically controlled outlet and every thing is finally running in a preferable range for me. At first the temps hit 79.9 to 80.4, then I turned my floor fan on to get air circulation around the room and it dropped and stayed steady around 76.5 and I had all 4 1000 watt lights dialed up to full power while conducting the test. Very little fluctuation in the temps in a 4 hour period.. Temps were actually dropping towards 74 below when I stopped the test and left the room.

And keep in mind winter is not over yet, and today and tomorrow is supposed to be one of our warmest days this week (and raining non stop unfortunately)... So this makes it even better for me, knowing that it stayed manageable during a warmer than usual day. One thing I noticed though was the temp controlled outlet never kicked off so its basically doing all it can do.

Now it is time folks... For the the flip, the switch.... The 12.... 12, flowering period!

Keep in mind I conducted this test in warmer than average weather and through the day at that. Though I will be running lights on during the night, through the coldest temps as this will help me keep it coolest to its maximum potential.

I ain't flipped the switch yet, gonna hit the sack in about 30 mins and dial in the timer (which looks complicated as hell, much different than other dial timers that I have used) when I wake up. Got a few pics when I was in there piddling around with the exhausting issue today. Diregard the insulated duct on the right side of picture, that is not connected to anything anymore.....


Lets start with a pic I snapped of the canopy yesterday... Glad to finally see that orange shade on the leaves in my photos of the gals!



Here is the GG4 clone only, showing me her signature "twisted leaves"...She's a twisted, stretchy, BIG dirty girl! This is my first time with Glue... So I am fixing to lose my "Gluginity" haha..







I like these temps MUCH better than 80 plus!



Here are some more canopy pics, taken today, the last pics of Veg we will see... I do plan on getting individual photos of the plants though once they are spread out and put in place to flower, since I have none yet.





And finally (yes I know I could have done a better detailed photo lol, but I was ready to get out of there and sleep) here is a view of my setup, without the oscillating fans of course, those will come shortly, just using my box fan for now, blowing straight across from the inlet, straight down between the canopy and the reflectors for now, this seems to keep the degree a little lower as well.




Thanks guys for all of your help and advice with the venting issue I was having! I still plan on grabbing an 8 inch fan when I can and replacing that 6in. Tomorrow I will throw up more photos once every thing is in place and ready for the flip...

Oh also wanted to throw in there that those lights were on adjustable ropes. That took up almost 8 inches of headspace, so I just put S hooks on the eyehooks and drilled holes in between each hanging brace/bracket to slide the S hook into. Y'all think I need to maybe put the lights on chains instead so I can still get maximum height and be able to lower the lights as well? With just the S hooks, as they are, the lights are only like one inch and a half from touching the ceiling.

Usually, I keep my 1000 waters within 12 to 16 inches from the canopy, but that's in individual 4x4 or 5x5 tents with great airflow and no temp issues. Some may say that's too close but it always worked excellent for me and gave me shorter, bushier plants as well with long solid colas... I feel like having the lights so high will make my plants stretcher than usual and maybe hurt my yields? Maybe I'm wrong.

It's all cool, I had a choice of either driving back to Michigan with a foot more of snow coming or go someplace warm