Pure psychedelic sativa 12/12 from seed 150W HPS grow

yeah man, looks like im gonna have to do some reports then. im a bit scared of malawi lol. but im pretty sure zamal is not too far from it.. anyway with my setup i guess it wont be half trippy as with yours it would be with all uvb and such..
btw Kite, how's your cindies? trippy as expected? in the end which day you chose to cut it? 49? 52? do you already know how much you yielded? or you don't count your harvest in grams and oz'es?
i'd really love to apply everything i learned on cindies hehe, prob this will be my next run, but for now tongue is sweating for destroyer and mind is waiting for some trippy boost from zamal

sorry cant help with the problems, but I will admit they do sound peculiar. Also the resin on the stem was crazy never seen that either. Overall they still look good in my eyes.

9 weeks from flip.. 63days 12/12, 68days since the seeds sprouted.. been a wonderful time and hopefully it will stay that way.

First lets start from problems. This morning again destroyer dropped some bottom fan leaves, like 5 of them. Same as yesterday. Those leaves were not touching the soil, did not have any contact with the water I was pouring to the pot. They looked healthy green leaves from the first glance. But then I compared them to other leaves. The healthy ones are very dark, whereas those which fell are lighter green, so maybe it was a lack of nitrogen.. Since I leached Zamaldelica i was feeding them both with 1ml per liter of grow food. Well actually I was mixing the following(with additives):
1ml of silica/ 1ml ca-mg/3ml liquid seeweed /1ml biogrow.
silica and camg as recommended on package. liquid seeweed is recommended 5ml/L. biogrow 4ml/L.
Plants got bigger, feeding schedule remained the same, so today I increased biogrow from 1ml to 2ml. The tester showed 1150ppm.

Leaves
Zamaldelica looks healthy green. Its green color is way lighter comparing to Destroyer, but those are two different strains so no wonder..
After adding silica now both plants show shiny plastic like leaves, they look stronger and healthier. Love it.. I wonder if that's silica or potassium responsible for this. or both..
Zamaldelica looks nice, but some leaves are cupped, like showing some N excess, heat stress or overwatering.. still not sure, cause N excess appears on top first, but some leaves bend down in the middle, while top looks nice. might be heat stress.. Having difficulties to get the temps below 80. usually it's 80-85, sometimes 90.

Stems
Their stems look funny at the conjunctions of branches. ofc nothing special in here, this is the way plant grows, still looks funny. Especially little chimney on Destroyer.
Zamal:


Dest:


Buds.
Destroyer:
Destroyer continues on packing weight on its colas, yesterday I even had to tie one cola to the cage because the weight was pushing the branch down. Looking really nice, budsites start almost at the very base and climbs till very top. So 7-12" long colas on 8-13" long branches.. Still somewhat airy, but packing is far from being done, I guess still like 3-5 more weeks.. Lower buds stigmas are already getting some browning.

Zamal:
Zamal in past week made quite a progress in bud production, although a bit strange, cause her stigmas are very tiny(comparing to destroyer) and they are still so small and already have quite a lot of brown ones.

Now here are some more pics of my ladies. check out the curled leaves, brownish budsites and whatever else you find in there
Destroyer:


Zamaldelica:

heat moisture stress a bit

BUT they look decent dude

Hey simisimis!

Great looking plants you have there. I have a 150w HPS sitting in the cupboard doing nothing. Was hoping in the near future to start a 12/12 grow based on Cees's grow method on the no mercy supply site. You can cram lots of plants into a small space with growing them under the right mix of fluoros on 12/12 until they show signs of sex which is usually no later than 21 days. Then they are put under the HPS, still 12/12 of course, to complete flowering. All plants must be started from seed with this method as clones need to be in veg and vegging is a no no with this method. He pulls a 1g per watt every with 7 harvests per year.

Seeds may seem expensive if buying from the UK, well for me they are as I'm short of cash ATM. But no mercy supply sells seeds at just under £2 a pop if buying a few at a time which seems viable to me. Although there's charges for deliver from NL plus bank charges for sending money internationally. But all in all I will be giving them an order soon and hope that using his methods, most turn out to be females

However I love your plants and they look lush with only a 150w light. Can't wait to see final harvest amount, will you be weighing the final amount to see how much dry you are pulling from a 150w?

Well, I have subbed this and seem to have just joined in at the most interesting part of your grow.

Happy growing and hopefully happy smoking in the near future!

Kite High said:

heat moisture stress a bit

BUT they look decent dude

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Thanks bro, well they do look decent for me as well, just trying to eliminate problems at the time they appear, not like my last grow after I've lost half of foliage lol..
Probably it's heat stress, I doubt that 36-50% RH would cause them stress. Unless you're talking about soil moisture.. Difficult to say, I wait till the pot is easy to lift but also do not wait for it to become super light..

chemtrailsrbad said:

Hey simisimis!

Great looking plants you have there. I have a 150w HPS sitting in the cupboard doing nothing. Was hoping in the near future to start a 12/12 grow based on Cees's grow method on the no mercy supply site. You can cram lots of plants into a small space with growing them under the right mix of fluoros on 12/12 until they show signs of sex which is usually no later than 21 days. Then they are put under the HPS, still 12/12 of course, to complete flowering. All plants must be started from seed with this method as clones need to be in veg and vegging is a no no with this method. He pulls a 1g per watt every with 7 harvests per year.

Seeds may seem expensive if buying from the UK, well for me they are as I'm short of cash ATM. But no mercy supply sells seeds at just under £2 a pop if buying a few at a time which seems viable to me. Although there's charges for deliver from NL plus bank charges for sending money internationally. But all in all I will be giving them an order soon and hope that using his methods, most turn out to be females

However I love your plants and they look lush with only a 150w light. Can't wait to see final harvest amount, will you be weighing the final amount to see how much dry you are pulling from a 150w?

Well, I have subbed this and seem to have just joined in at the most interesting part of your grow.

Happy growing and hopefully happy smoking in the near future!

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Hey man, thanks for the kind words, happy you liked it Also seeing you posting your first post on my thread, gratz on joining this community
I'm not familiar with that method, but that's not exactly what I'm looking for.
I'm growing only for occasional smoking, like once per 1-2 weeks. I still have some mj from my 2nd grow and now 4th is going towards the end lol. I do not sell, just tip my friends from time to time with little presents and I LOVE growing, checking every single inch of my plants for changes twice a day. So harvesting 2-3 times per year and pulling 30-40g per plant from 2 plants is more than enough for me not mentioning the fact that my grow room is too small for those kind of methods, I wouldn't be able to get in the room hehe.. in total so far I have 150w plus 60w cfl, wanted to add 50w more, but too hot in the room, so I'll better keep the temps bellow 85F. Harvesting for me it's just a personal record which I want to go up with my every grow so I'd now that I'm making progress. now I have to beat my 0.36g/W lol.
About seeds, take into consideration buying directly from seed banks, lot of them give you lots of freebies, like when I bought 4xC99 from female seeds I received 7x C99 freebies haha.. now that is a deal, prob they work with orders after they test potency of their plants.. my friend bought from another seedbank 10x WW, he got another 10 as a present.. it's quite common thing when buying from seedbanks.

Stick around, things are getting really interesting here
Cheers!

^ I bought 20x "Dutch Passion" WW fem from a seedbank in Canada, received 61. Then again they took forever to germ and the rate was reaaally low, so I'm glad they at least sent that many..

simisimis said:

yeah man, looks like im gonna have to do some reports then. im a bit scared of malawi lol. but im pretty sure zamal is not too far from it.. anyway with my setup i guess it wont be half trippy as with yours it would be with all uvb and such..
btw Kite, how's your cindies? trippy as expected? in the end which day you chose to cut it? 49? 52? do you already know how much you yielded? or you don't count your harvest in grams and oz'es?
i'd really love to apply everything i learned on cindies hehe, prob this will be my next run, but for now tongue is sweating for destroyer and mind is waiting for some trippy boost from zamal

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Fantastic looking plants simi.

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Thanks man

btw check this post about Kites Cindies

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Tops main colas at 49 days...trippy supreme no ceiling and sleep preventing....the bottom 2/3's of the plants are being trimmed/chopped currently...will report differences

Kite High said:

Tops main colas at 49 days...trippy supreme no ceiling and sleep preventing....the bottom 2/3's of the plants are being trimmed/chopped currently...will report differences

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1/3 of your grow is 480g from 4 plants... now that is insane.. you're my hero ))

simisimis said:

1/3 of your grow is 480g from 4 plants... now that is insane.. you're my hero ))

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The four tops from the four plants are 377.9 trams dry 1 week in closet Lil over 1 week in cvaults. Will post the weights of the lower 2/3s once dry. it is all going to bho, hemp oil, and cannabutter. The mains are for smoking/ vsping and to share with friends.

oh sorry for the typo, anyway that does not make my excitement any smaller.. man now you know how to exploit your plants haha. do you cook anything specific with cannabutter or just put that on sandwiches for breakfast in the morning and on boiled potatoes in the evening? btw, which part of the plant are ropes?

Rope is made from the fibers of the stems. You're not making rope with your stems?

simisimis said:

oh sorry for the typo, anyway that does not make my excitement any smaller.. man now you know how to exploit your plants haha. do you cook anything specific with cannabutter or just put that on sandwiches for breakfast in the morning and on boiled potatoes in the evening? btw, which part of the plant are ropes?

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Apologies as I meant the four mains. Please know the genes are 99percent of what determines potency. You will be fine. The destroyer will keep you happy and floating along creatively and zamal will reveal you to yourself.

MrEDuck said:

Rope is made from the fibers of the stems. You're not making rope with your stems?

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haha exactly, that's what I thought as well..

Kite High said:

Apologies as I meant the four mains. Please know the genes are 99percent of what determines potency. You will be fine. The destroyer will keep you happy and floating along creatively and zamal will reveal you to yourself.

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whoa thanks, after reading Mel Franks book I thought that potency is way more influenced by environment variables like temp. I mean not that environment will increase it, but more that it can decrease it. But I'll trust you on this. Can't wait to try destroyer then and dive into exploration of myself with zamal

btw, zamal is doing quite nice job on stacking buds. Will make a pic after a day or two. Although I did not notice any change in 3-4 days on Destroyer..
Looks like it does not drop leaves anymore, it did not drop that many, just some lowest ones, still its quite bushy down there. Also noticed today Dest showed some mild signs of fan leave tips curling down. Looks the same like on Zamal a week ago. Just a few of them though located on middle part of plant. Will see if they got better today. Temps are again rising outside and the grow room has that stuffy air.. I keep my roof window open, but somehow fresh air does not come in prob because it's a roof window in a corner room. humidity is 48%, temps are 83-88F on tops, 80-85 at the bottom..

Been few days since I posted something. Well today I tried to use magnifying glass on my girls and I got really surprised.. Trichs both on destroyer and zamal were cloudy.
10 and a half weeks now.
I don't know if that's possible that Zamal or destroyer could be ready. Destroyer have some nice calyxes, but I'm still not experienced if those are swollen. Capitate-stalked glands look swollen to me. And also look cloudy. Zamaldelica had very small calyxes, like 1/3rd of the size comparing to Destroyer. She had to flower longer than Destroyer but Zamaldelica is even more cloudy. Resin glands are shorter but fatter.
Last 6-7 days was disaster for them, temps inside raised to 95 at some point, but it was more or less 87-90 on those days. Although plants did not show any leaf tip bending or any other stress signs.

I was hoping that Destroyer will do way more progress in packing colas, but over a week ago it just stopped doing anything, looks almost the same as it looked 9 days before.. Zamaldelica also did not show a lot of change for 7 days already. Buds are more packed but a lot smaller than Dest. During grow I lost some bottom leaves, but not even worth counting, cause most of them are green and healthy.
Now the question is what to do. I kind of think the answer is pretty obvious, cloudy and swollen capitate stalked resin glands, on destroyer I even found like 2 or 3 amber trichs. Well I thought I have those plants, I thought I was getting there but it looks like I will not make even oz per plant.. And for the height, I still have like a spare foot of it.. But hey, c'mon, somebody even said that this is preposterous and that I won't be able to grow these strains
Guys have a look at the pictures and tell me what ya think. How plants look like, how much height I still got, and some zoom in on buds and resin..

Destroyer:

Dest x45 zoom

Destroyer x60+ zoom


Zamal:


Zamaldelica x60+ zoom


Reflector is almost at the highest position.

The heat clouded them. Wait for swollen calyxes and receding pistols before checking trichs. IMO neither are close to ready.

yeah, it did not feel that it is ready for me as well, I just did not know how to explain that resin started to go cloudy.. cause destroyer still have quite a lot of white pistils and her colas are sooo airy... Zamal also has some tiny nugs.. And both look that they could support much more... will try to do my best on reducing the heat, but I cannot think of what else I could do other than to get ac unit.. and that is a bit nono go for me at the moment..