Quantum Boards / Too much Yapping no proof

PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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ComfortCreator said:
From a quality standpoint I have yet to see or believe anybody grows BETTER cannabis with LEDs. They may grow more, it may be more cost effective, but actual quality is not BETTER.
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Are you suggesting that the quality from HPS grown weed of better?

I personally have not done any side-by-sides, because after using HPS for over a decade, then switching to LED it became clear that LED was superior in my grow space. My quality is great, and honestly the Wedding Cake I'm growing right now under LED/CMH mix is better than it was when I grew it under HPS a year and a half ago. Admittedly I got the cut from a different source, but theoretically it's the exact same cut.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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HippieDudeRon said:
So you don't have any side by sides or have any idea where they are?


Is that an inside joke or something? Cause doesn't look like any side by side?

Why are you all fighting showing any side by sides?
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Why do you keep asking people to do the work for you?

In 2021 there is this thing called Google and the search feature. Id suggest you use it. I know its hard to type and read but I got faith in you bro, you can do it.
 
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HippieDudeRon

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thenotsoesoteric said:
Why do you keep asking people to do the work for you?

In 2021 there is this thing called Google and the search feature. Id suggest you use it. I know its hard to type and read but I got faith in you bro, you can do it.
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Literally read what thread you're in man. Why are you here? Stop running from the question at hand...which is completely on topic.

Where are any of the alleged dozens of side by sides?
 
Rocket Soul

Rocket Soul

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HippieDudeRon said:
Sure, here is your assumption.

So because I asked where are the side by sides you all seems to jump to claiming they exist...means I am questioning LEDs?? You see your assumption and deflection from the actual question at hand. A question that I did not bring up out of the blue. A question that one and more users have claimed to be so prevalent but here we are 1 year, and 3 new responses later without a single cited side by side grow?? And that I must not use LED or be one of the ones who "settled it long ago" as you said??? Why are you assuming that because I asked for support of a bold statement about side by sides?


So if you don't have answers to the other dudes bold statement...why are you responding?

Where are the dozens of side by sides you all claim to exist and show such dominating results? Stop deflecting and present them, or say you were lying and don't have the info you claimed. Pretty simple. And a real man mans up BTW. Nothing wrong with being wrong....everything wrong with trying to lie about and cover up being wrong.
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I'm starting to assume you have some problems, unrelated to this issue. I do not think you have an actual interest in anything but arguing online. Do your own work and find out for yourself. You don't seem to be a troll. But I would need you to supply some kinda of proof of being A-OK before continuing this.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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HippieDudeRon said:
Literally read what thread you're in man. Why are you here? Stop running from the question at hand...which is completely on topic.

Where are any of the alleged dozens of side by sides?
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It seems pretty clear that you haven't grown with LED's yet, and are concerned about quality. How about you throw up a nice pic of your best quality, and we'll see what LED growers can show "side-by-side".
 
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budman410

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Rocket Soul said:
I'm starting to assume you have some problems, unrelated to this issue. I do not think you have an actual interest in anything but arguing online. Do your own work and find out for yourself. You don't seem to be a troll. But I would need you to supply some kinda of proof of being A-OK before continuing this.
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I second this..
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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Side by sides mean nothing … scattered data done in non optimal conditions…. Some dudes partition grow with hps and led will prove what ?

The real evidence …. The amount of growers using said tech. If it wasn’t doing the work , they wouldn’t use it. Whether strips , cobs or boards , growers are moving to it … no reason to weep about it.

There are plenty of growers running FULL rooms with LED BAR RIGS OR DIY . If you prefer replacing bulbs oer cycle then good for you. Led is here to stay.
I personally run perpetuals with Quantum and cobs consistently for 6 years … same gear no problems.

Seems like that alone is the winner.
 
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budman410

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ComfortCreator said:
Well the truth is the very best indoor growers...the ones with the most experience were doing this well before LEDs were worth jack. So all the best growers from 10+ years ago learned and mastered HID lighting. Being a master at something requires time.

LEDs have obv benefits to new growers, the simplest being safety. That has nothing to do with end quality but explains why so many skip the cheaper option.

From a quality standpoint I have yet to see or believe anybody grows BETTER cannabis with LEDs. They may grow more, it may be more cost effective, but actual quality is not BETTER.

This from a relatively new grower, only grown myself with LEDs. Have observed HID grows for decades. Have sampled from around the country/world for 35yrs.

Simply put, it is different. The gent about to go from HPS to a Diablo will be able to keep plants at a foot away vs HID distance. What an adjustment to get used to!

Quantum boards do great. But to think they are better or worse...its just another option.

For most people who live in climates with 4 seasons or in particularly cold climates, there is another obvious option of both, changing them out for seasons. That's more work, but for those with cold climates I cant imagine a more efficient setup than HPS in the cold and LEDs when it gets warm.
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The most growing I’ve done has been outside, then for a couple years single ended hps. Took a break and came back and Led is affordable. I’ll say from a novice indoor grower standpoint I’ve used hps tables and led tables in the same room during the winter and the quality standpoint was too close to say hps was much better. Comparing a “master” hps grower to ambiguous led growers of varied skill seems a little unfair in judgement.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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budman410 said:
The most growing I’ve done has been outside, then for a couple years single ended hps. Took a break and came back and Led is affordable. I’ll say from a novice indoor grower standpoint I’ve used hps tables and led tables in the same room during the winter and the quality standpoint was too close to say hps was much better. Comparing a “master” hps grower to ambiguous led growers of varied skill seems a little unfair in judgement.
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I still wanna see the amazing quality buds this master hps grower produces.
 
Wastei

Wastei

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MrNorth said:
Ok this is my 1 year anniversary with quantum boards.
240 w 400 k ( dimmed ) in 2x4 tent veg.
600 w 3000 k with red and uv (dimmed) 4x4 flower tent.
After using HPS and quantum boards I have to say hps is easier to get big dense buds with. I hear a whole bunch of numbers chucked around from guys who have a lot of gadgets and very little experience ( not many white whiskers on their chin )
Most of the advice you hear about distance from the canopy is absolutely wrong .... you will fry your plants . All this crap about cal mag and on is guys guys putting lights too close ..... its that simple.
After a year and almost 5 crops I will give them this:
1 . They are safer and cooler.
2. They save power .
But , what did you save getting less weight in hard dense bud ? Thats what its about.
A lot of my crop is now only good for making ice hash , then rosin so it doesn’t mold.
4 , 6 , and 1000 hps all grow bigger and more dense tops than Quantum boards.
This is not to say that its the wrong choice because the safety thing is major consideration.
I will continue because my grow is a small legal hobby in canada. My point here is that now that I have a fair bit of experience with both , these guys spouting numbers are doing just that.
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I would personally never run boards in a tent. Like other suggested there's nothing wrong with the light if used properly. Your better of with led strips with lower ceilings.
 
shroomhaze

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Wastei said:
I would personally never run boards in a tent. Like other suggested there's nothing wrong with the light if used properly. Your better of with led strips with lower ceilings.
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yea led strips are pretty dope but they tend to be more expensive :/ LED cost a lot but in the long run its not much I guess
 
Norml56

Norml56

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Blazin Budz said:
I've used both through many crops over the years. I am now fully transitioned to LED's. Heres my take. I can agree with you on some aspects such as it being harder to grow with LED's. I definitely had to go through a learning curve to get things dialed in. I use almost double the nutrients and Cal-Mag with LED as i did with HPS/CMH.

Also, your particular Quantum board has a very tight set of diodes, thats why you burn your plants easily and think people are wrong about canopy distance. I use those same boards as well as some other boards from HLG and I hang them high through the whole grow. I never adjust the height.

As far as your bud formation and quality, that has to be user error. My buds are arguably more dense now and my yields crush my HPS/CMH yields with less wattage. Theres a million factors that could cause your problems but usually with the switch over to LED's, people don't run high enough temps and don't push their plants hard enough with nutes. Its damn near impossible to grow 100% organic without supplementing any nutrients with these HLG QB's.
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Have you ever crunched the numbers to see how much additional money you are spending on nutes? I have grown 100% organic with LED and I will agree it is difficult, but that's because the soil was built for HPS/CMH. I'm starting to get it tailored to be more effective with LED, but at the moment I am stuck supplementing with organic nutes. I hate mixing from bottles
 
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Blazin Budz

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Norml56 said:
Have you ever crunched the numbers to see how much additional money you are spending on nutes? I have grown 100% organic with LED and I will agree it is difficult, but that's because the soil was built for HPS/CMH. I'm starting to get it tailored to be more effective with LED, but at the moment I am stuck supplementing with organic nutes. I hate mixing from bottles
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I haven't. My first 2 runs with LED's were organic. I had to supplement with epsom salts like crazy. I've since switched to COCO and running FloraFlex nutes. They are dry powder nutes. I get as high as 3.1 EC during flower.
 
Norml56

Norml56

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Blazin Budz said:
I haven't. My first 2 runs with LED's were organic. I had to supplement with epsom salts like crazy. I've since switched to COCO and running FloraFlex nutes. They are dry powder nutes. I get as high as 3.1 EC during flower.
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Always been curious about the real benefits of running Coco. I'm just never home consistently enough to run a full cycle without needing to hand the reigns to a friend for a week or 2. Much easier if the help just has to water and keep an eye on temps/humidity. Right now I'm just supplementing with Down to Earth Bloom in flower, and the all-purpose fertilizer in veg. Seems to be working out fairly well until I can get my soil squared away.20210504_072722.jpg
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Norml56 said:
Always been curious about the real benefits of running Coco. I'm just never home consistently enough to run a full cycle without needing to hand the reigns to a friend for a week or 2. Much easier if the help just has to water and keep an eye on temps/humidity. Right now I'm just supplementing with Down to Earth Bloom in flower, and the all-purpose fertilizer in veg. Seems to be working out fairly well until I can get my soil squared away.View attachment 4894119
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If you're running in coco, you should be feeding multiple times a day with an automated system, so your buddy would only need to refil the res once a week.
Blazin Budz said:
I haven't. My first 2 runs with LED's were organic. I had to supplement with epsom salts like crazy. I've since switched to COCO and running FloraFlex nutes. They are dry powder nutes. I get as high as 3.1 EC during flower.
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3.1EC??? That sounds insane, unless you are talking about EC at the medium. You irrigate with 3.1EC? I personally reverse that and feed 1.3EC, and my plants are totally happy.
 
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