Dr. Who
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Read up sport ^^^!! Flushing is a MYTH!
Question about harvesting
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Roger A. Shrubber
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adding and subtracting are two different things. maybe you can taste rabbit shit if you add it the day before harvest...but you can't ever remove it....
and as far as i know, pk boost is for the size of the buds, not the frostiness, i've always used a reptile light for trichs and i can tell the difference for sure.
i do agree with you, if it works for you, go with it, but i've done all the reading i can find to do, and i can't find ANYTHING, ANYWHERE to support flushing with any science at all, and my personal experience is that 90% of bad taste has to do with poor drying/curing and not nutrients that are still in your plant
chemphlegm
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now, for some dr who ribbin'....
If my weed tasted harsh a couple weeks after I harvested, but my buddies didnt, and my weed needed months of fussing/sweating/fermenting/degrading just to be smooth, but his was killer a couple weeks after drying.....same strain, same nutrients etc...I'd be leaning towards figuring out what the hell I'm doing differently. I expect my herb to be smooth tasting when its dry, just like every other herb I grow, none need this jarring fuss to smooth out the fertilizer off tastes, soon as dry, good as it gets. matter of fact...a few months later I strip the life bits out of it and discard. after a month old...I'm just not interested anymore. I dont like degraded trichomes, changed to other compounds I guess. some do, its great others have found uses for this stored weed. I dont like last years sage or basil either, just me?
If my weed tasted harsh a couple weeks after I harvested, but my buddies didnt, and my weed needed months of fussing/sweating/fermenting/degrading just to be smooth, but his was killer a couple weeks after drying.....same strain, same nutrients etc...I'd be leaning towards figuring out what the hell I'm doing differently. I expect my herb to be smooth tasting when its dry, just like every other herb I grow, none need this jarring fuss to smooth out the fertilizer off tastes, soon as dry, good as it gets. matter of fact...a few months later I strip the life bits out of it and discard. after a month old...I'm just not interested anymore. I dont like degraded trichomes, changed to other compounds I guess. some do, its great others have found uses for this stored weed. I dont like last years sage or basil either, just me?
chemphlegm
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I guarantee rabbit pooh in a large enough container, and all it can provide to the plant, will be used up in veg even if allowed the time.
So, if a correct amount of pooh is added to the container, the right amount, used up right about the time the plant is going to finish anyways, then less of the at pooh will be present in the soil, brix readings will differ on harvest day too. check it out. taste? I dont taste the pooh anymore than I taste the potassium, I just taste an off taste.
so, feed to harvest= bad taste two weeks after drying
and dont feed to harvest= tastes good two weeks after harvest, takes months to rid the weed of an off taste? in jar? burped daily?
seems simple to me
again, I dont flush. I grow in dirt, I use water, organicare product, directions followed.
I feed at flower onset, and again at halfway. works great, run off is right, plants couldnt be better, taste is stellar right out of the dry rack . taste/better/smoother=subjective. we are all doing the right thing obviously, none of us are complaining of our results. some say right or wrong is all to justify their procedures, the ones that turned out working well for them. its all good though.
the only time my plants suffered ever since 2008 is when I followed some deviant online directions that differed from the instructions on the package. I cannot afford to suffer plant losses again. Besides, It has never been better than it is right now. dont panic, grow organic!
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Dr. Who
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@chemphlegm
I ponder this.
drwho's curing process is necessary for smooth smoke, if plants are fed to harvest, like tobacco. tocacco is smooth too, if not fed to the harvest btw, albeit a lighter harvest. my herb is smooth as long as I dont over feed, needs longer sweat when its fed to the end though. fact. grapes taste like shit when fed to the end, so do all of my veggies and fruits, cured or not. my herbs are cured btw, and used fresh too. I can taste your ammonia in over fed crops when I feed in late flower, but not when I dont. Basically put. If you did a longer "proper" cure. Your product would be sweeter and more potent....yup "even" yours....Lets stop pissing on each others "cure" now.
nute manufacturers love money. NOW your talking!
they want you to succeed. if feeding more of their product, feeding it longer too, meant better healthier plants
they would instruct to feed more/spend more money/use more ferts.... tight to the end of harvest aye...but they dont. Many of them want you to buy a flushing agent they make to flush with.....The money continues and they make far more from the flushing agent then the nurient - because it costs less to make!
when I fed their products to the end my product sucked after a few weeks drying. when I did not feed to the end, you know, like following the directions....my plants were stellar ever time. FACT No sir! That's the confirmation bias working! You "perceive" because you "believe". That idea was set in your head from those nutrient makers promoting the incorrect "logic" of Cervates and others.
I dont want it to be this way, its just the way it is. If it could be better I'd already be the best
It is "this way" because you can't understand the real science or truth.....Open your mind and let go of what you believe to be. Try something new.....Better yet.....Start reading up on plant science! Because "plant logic" and taking nutrient makers claims as reality, only plays into their pockets.
all hydro directions are wrong? um, ok they must be looking out for our bottom line , like saving money for us by tapering nutes towards finish.??? Hydro feed charting for many brands will get you the yellowing leaf P tox situation in Bloom.
The highest quality potentials are achieved by "keeping it green to the finish"....Why does this yellowing happen? Because the nutrient NPK ratio's are not formulated for cannabis.....They can be made to work - properly but, you better know how to adjust amounts used on your own - That's called "dialing in"....
I can keep a plant alive forever with proper light and feed, but I dont, I want my marijuana to finish, like in nature, and die when finished, with buds chunky sticky and full of flavor, not from stored nutrients not needed at this time in its life. Really? How about you try and keep a MJ plant alive "forever"....SEE what happens!
this works for some because they want it to? feeding to the end uses other issues, and they deal with them. Their plants are heavier because of it. not with more active ingredients, but with shiny green leaves, unlike any other fruits or veggies I grow. my veggies leaves and fruit leaves die off at finish. The practice of "feeding to finish" is done to attempt to reach "plant POTENTIALS". Yes, they do come out bigger, heavier and more potent. That's a bonus goal for those that understand the strains "potential" is not reached by limiting it in any way. You don't have to do what others do. You do what works for YOU! And that's just FINE.... I'm only trying to supply real science and a truthful alternative.
I notice farmers dont fertilize crops at the end of growth, except tobacco, farmers, wishing for the heaviest leaf, biggest plant, uh oh....it tastes like shit...whadda we do? hey, let it sit for a month, smoke it out, heat it, cool it, yeah, we'll call it "curing"..because it cures the fault of over feeding. Again, it's not "overfeeding". NOR IS IT A "FAULT"... AND it's not what you perceive to be high "nutrient" levels remaining in the plant causing your perception.
my apple trees like to stop growing bright green leaves as the fruit ripens. I see the same with my grapes, my peaches, my plums,
and most every plant in my orchard. happens because resources are more scarce at the end of season than the beginning. Lets look at the difference in size of Delicious apples from Washington vs. Ones from Michigan. Why are those from Wash, so much bigger then those from Mich.? Environment. That mainly, includes a very different and richer nutrient soil in Wash over Mich. (In part). Get my point?
senescence my men, senescence, learn all about it right here. Ah yes, the end of cell division and the end of life. I fail to see any difference other then one method closing in on real plant potential, before the "end".
for clarity. I do not remove all of my fertilizers during the end of flower. Hell, feed once at flower onset and one more time at mid flower. in pro mix. i use crumbles, they dissolve slowly. its poop. there is poop in the mix at the end of flower of course. I dont flush volumes of water, I do water with water only though, right to the end.
For clarity: I am not saying what you do is wrong. It works for you, right?
I am saying there is a scientifically based alternative view that covers reality in achieving "plant potential" for what we grow and how we use it.
Please do what works for you.
But please stop posting pseudoscience "belief" as fact.
I still respect you and I'am not really "fighting" with you....OK?
I ponder this.
drwho's curing process is necessary for smooth smoke, if plants are fed to harvest, like tobacco. tocacco is smooth too, if not fed to the harvest btw, albeit a lighter harvest. my herb is smooth as long as I dont over feed, needs longer sweat when its fed to the end though. fact. grapes taste like shit when fed to the end, so do all of my veggies and fruits, cured or not. my herbs are cured btw, and used fresh too. I can taste your ammonia in over fed crops when I feed in late flower, but not when I dont. Basically put. If you did a longer "proper" cure. Your product would be sweeter and more potent....yup "even" yours....Lets stop pissing on each others "cure" now.
nute manufacturers love money. NOW your talking!
they want you to succeed. if feeding more of their product, feeding it longer too, meant better healthier plants
they would instruct to feed more/spend more money/use more ferts.... tight to the end of harvest aye...but they dont. Many of them want you to buy a flushing agent they make to flush with.....The money continues and they make far more from the flushing agent then the nurient - because it costs less to make!
when I fed their products to the end my product sucked after a few weeks drying. when I did not feed to the end, you know, like following the directions....my plants were stellar ever time. FACT No sir! That's the confirmation bias working! You "perceive" because you "believe". That idea was set in your head from those nutrient makers promoting the incorrect "logic" of Cervates and others.
I dont want it to be this way, its just the way it is. If it could be better I'd already be the best
It is "this way" because you can't understand the real science or truth.....Open your mind and let go of what you believe to be. Try something new.....Better yet.....Start reading up on plant science! Because "plant logic" and taking nutrient makers claims as reality, only plays into their pockets.
all hydro directions are wrong? um, ok they must be looking out for our bottom line , like saving money for us by tapering nutes towards finish.??? Hydro feed charting for many brands will get you the yellowing leaf P tox situation in Bloom.
The highest quality potentials are achieved by "keeping it green to the finish"....Why does this yellowing happen? Because the nutrient NPK ratio's are not formulated for cannabis.....They can be made to work - properly but, you better know how to adjust amounts used on your own - That's called "dialing in"....
I can keep a plant alive forever with proper light and feed, but I dont, I want my marijuana to finish, like in nature, and die when finished, with buds chunky sticky and full of flavor, not from stored nutrients not needed at this time in its life. Really? How about you try and keep a MJ plant alive "forever"....SEE what happens!
this works for some because they want it to? feeding to the end uses other issues, and they deal with them. Their plants are heavier because of it. not with more active ingredients, but with shiny green leaves, unlike any other fruits or veggies I grow. my veggies leaves and fruit leaves die off at finish. The practice of "feeding to finish" is done to attempt to reach "plant POTENTIALS". Yes, they do come out bigger, heavier and more potent. That's a bonus goal for those that understand the strains "potential" is not reached by limiting it in any way. You don't have to do what others do. You do what works for YOU! And that's just FINE.... I'm only trying to supply real science and a truthful alternative.
I notice farmers dont fertilize crops at the end of growth, except tobacco, farmers, wishing for the heaviest leaf, biggest plant, uh oh....it tastes like shit...whadda we do? hey, let it sit for a month, smoke it out, heat it, cool it, yeah, we'll call it "curing"..because it cures the fault of over feeding. Again, it's not "overfeeding". NOR IS IT A "FAULT"... AND it's not what you perceive to be high "nutrient" levels remaining in the plant causing your perception.
my apple trees like to stop growing bright green leaves as the fruit ripens. I see the same with my grapes, my peaches, my plums,
and most every plant in my orchard. happens because resources are more scarce at the end of season than the beginning. Lets look at the difference in size of Delicious apples from Washington vs. Ones from Michigan. Why are those from Wash, so much bigger then those from Mich.? Environment. That mainly, includes a very different and richer nutrient soil in Wash over Mich. (In part). Get my point?
senescence my men, senescence, learn all about it right here. Ah yes, the end of cell division and the end of life. I fail to see any difference other then one method closing in on real plant potential, before the "end".
for clarity. I do not remove all of my fertilizers during the end of flower. Hell, feed once at flower onset and one more time at mid flower. in pro mix. i use crumbles, they dissolve slowly. its poop. there is poop in the mix at the end of flower of course. I dont flush volumes of water, I do water with water only though, right to the end.
For clarity: I am not saying what you do is wrong. It works for you, right?
I am saying there is a scientifically based alternative view that covers reality in achieving "plant potential" for what we grow and how we use it.
Please do what works for you.
But please stop posting pseudoscience "belief" as fact.
I still respect you and I'am not really "fighting" with you....OK?
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
i grew up in a farming community. we grew potatoes, onions, wheat, beans. we never flushed any of it. when i started growing weed, the guy in the hydro store tried to tell me about flushing. we got into a big argument in front of a store full of people which ended with me telling him "i'm a fucking farmer and you're a dumbass in a fucking hydro store that's never grown fuck all, and you're going to tell me how to grow ANYTHING? don't think so sparky"....and thats been my attitude ever since. i'm not a botanist, i'm a farm boy, i can grow just about anything, on a commercial level, and i aint wasting my time doin this
chemphlegm
Well-Known Member
@chemphlegm
I ponder this.
drwho's curing process is necessary for smooth smoke, if plants are fed to harvest, like tobacco. tocacco is smooth too, if not fed to the harvest btw, albeit a lighter harvest. my herb is smooth as long as I dont over feed, needs longer sweat when its fed to the end though. fact. grapes taste like shit when fed to the end, so do all of my veggies and fruits, cured or not. my herbs are cured btw, and used fresh too. I can taste your ammonia in over fed crops when I feed in late flower, but not when I dont. Basically put. If you did a longer "proper" cure. Your product would be sweeter and more potent....yup "even" yours....Lets stop pissing on each others "cure" now.
nute manufacturers love money. NOW your talking!
they want you to succeed. if feeding more of their product, feeding it longer too, meant better healthier plants
they would instruct to feed more/spend more money/use more ferts.... tight to the end of harvest aye...but they dont. Many of them want you to buy a flushing agent they make to flush with.....The money continues and they make far more from the flushing agent then the nurient - because it costs less to make!
when I fed their products to the end my product sucked after a few weeks drying. when I did not feed to the end, you know, like following the directions....my plants were stellar ever time. FACT No sir! That's the confirmation bias working! You "perceive" because you "believe". That idea was set in your head from those nutrient makers promoting the incorrect "logic" of Cervates and others.
I dont want it to be this way, its just the way it is. If it could be better I'd already be the best
It is "this way" because you can't understand the real science or truth.....Open your mind and let go of what you believe to be. Try something new.....Better yet.....Start reading up on plant science! Because "plant logic" and taking nutrient makers claims as reality, only plays into their pockets.
all hydro directions are wrong? um, ok they must be looking out for our bottom line , like saving money for us by tapering nutes towards finish.??? Hydro feed charting for many brands will get you the yellowing leaf P tox situation in Bloom.
The highest quality potentials are achieved by "keeping it green to the finish"....Why does this yellowing happen? Because the nutrient NPK ratio's are not formulated for cannabis.....They can be made to work - properly but, you better know how to adjust amounts used on your own - That's called "dialing in"....
I can keep a plant alive forever with proper light and feed, but I dont, I want my marijuana to finish, like in nature, and die when finished, with buds chunky sticky and full of flavor, not from stored nutrients not needed at this time in its life. Really? How about you try and keep a MJ plant alive "forever"....SEE what happens!
this works for some because they want it to? feeding to the end uses other issues, and they deal with them. Their plants are heavier because of it. not with more active ingredients, but with shiny green leaves, unlike any other fruits or veggies I grow. my veggies leaves and fruit leaves die off at finish. The practice of "feeding to finish" is done to attempt to reach "plant POTENTIALS". Yes, they do come out bigger, heavier and more potent. That's a bonus goal for those that understand the strains "potential" is not reached by limiting it in any way. You don't have to do what others do. You do what works for YOU! And that's just FINE.... I'm only trying to supply real science and a truthful alternative.
I notice farmers dont fertilize crops at the end of growth, except tobacco, farmers, wishing for the heaviest leaf, biggest plant, uh oh....it tastes like shit...whadda we do? hey, let it sit for a month, smoke it out, heat it, cool it, yeah, we'll call it "curing"..because it cures the fault of over feeding. Again, it's not "overfeeding". NOR IS IT A "FAULT"... AND it's not what you perceive to be high "nutrient" levels remaining in the plant causing your perception.
my apple trees like to stop growing bright green leaves as the fruit ripens. I see the same with my grapes, my peaches, my plums,
and most every plant in my orchard. happens because resources are more scarce at the end of season than the beginning. Lets look at the difference in size of Delicious apples from Washington vs. Ones from Michigan. Why are those from Wash, so much bigger then those from Mich.? Environment. That mainly, includes a very different and richer nutrient soil in Wash over Mich. (In part). Get my point?
senescence my men, senescence, learn all about it right here. Ah yes, the end of cell division and the end of life. I fail to see any difference other then one method closing in on real plant potential, before the "end".
for clarity. I do not remove all of my fertilizers during the end of flower. Hell, feed once at flower onset and one more time at mid flower. in pro mix. i use crumbles, they dissolve slowly. its poop. there is poop in the mix at the end of flower of course. I dont flush volumes of water, I do water with water only though, right to the end.
For clarity: I am not saying what you do is wrong. It works for you, right?
I am saying there is a scientifically based alternative view that covers reality in achieving "plant potential" for what we grow and how we use it.
Please do what works for you.
But please stop posting pseudoscience "belief" as fact.
I still respect you and I'am not really "fighting" with you....OK?
my facts are my facts, yours are yours right, they re mine, they re subjective, yet factual. I've never had unexpected results using hydro nutrients, no reason to believe they are wrong.
plant potential? aha, for like photography and such, I get it! yest, fertilizing heavily during flower to the end will produce bigger flowers(more vegetable matter) and prettier reports for sure, I've done it.I loved the look, but the plants take so long to be smooth as you state, in jars, in burp mode etc just to usable
. When I dont do this I get exactly the results I seek.
I never had n issue with any hydro nutrients I used, never thought they were incorrect either. all of them produced expected results for me when directions were followed. Surely there are myriad of reasons why system doesnt work well for others, we read it every day here.
on a side note I used to grow a flower commercially and they fed that sucker right up to the day of ship was big colorful and vibrant, and smelled of ammonia too when we processed it. fingers from trimming were stinky like that too. I know the jig.
bigger greener marijuana flowers do not necessarily make higher quality more potent oil filled trichomes, but darn pretty plants for sure.
dont you dare change anything you do now dr who, you are rocking it.
Dr. Who
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No problem Chemmy. We're close enough....
Ours are ours - good deal...