question about Pre-made systems

helpmehealtheworld said:

Thank a million Ed, you are the man.

As usual your advice is spot on and extremely helpful. The bud box is now in place, going to visit b&q on Monday. They are pretty handy for just about all those little gadgets ph meter, timer, 5 socket plug strip etc.the fans you recommended must be down in price because there now going for 5quid a piece, yet on ebay they trying to sell em for £8.50 plus £5 post and pack.ha ha.lol what a con.

I got the white widows from Dr hemp, babies under a 200w enviro with easy rollers and already they are up with beautiful little leaves, seems like they thrived the very minute I put em under the enviro…wow, planted 5 on Monday and they are all up.****ing unbelievable: D planted the other 5 today so its all cool and good, think I will still invest in that 400W HPS & Ballast to be on safe side. Any recommendations on fertilizers???? Would be much appreciated, also how often should water the babies at the minute, seems to be a lot of confliction on that one when googling??? I am using rainwater from the kid’s empty sand pit. Like you said I also ordered some seeds from the Dam just to be on the safe side (white widow) The Dam growers come highly recommended on the net like you said of course total 70 euro for 10,, bit pricey but they are offering a good deal by throwing another 10 seeds of some other strain for free mmmm lol.

As usual your advice is very much appreciated, its great to know and talk with people like you that point a complete newbie in the right direction. The nerve pains and muscle spasms I’m getting at the minute is still extremely bad and painful as I don’t have any home grown (ran out about a week ago) and Home Grown is like gold dust where I am, very hard to get but I’m back on the docs tablets to dull the pain temporally, I hate em as they make me puke and give the shits. I can hack it I think as I know now I should have my own supply of “Gods medicine” soon and I wont be dealing with shady people anymore, this point set me heart at rest immensely.

So again many thanks Ed your advice was very much appreciated, Multiple Kudos to ya. Best regards & happy toking.

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Hi HMHTW

Haha... typical the fans are cheaper now I bought mine! sods law or what? Maybe I should buy some & sell em back on ebay must be a few ££'s profit in it! - No probs for the advice btw, I was like a head-less chicken when I started asking questions on here but luckily all my questions got answered & I heeded most of the advice I was given.. they're a knowledgeable lot on here! Great news on the 200w light, when you get the chance upload some pics if you can would be great to see your set-up. After you get your 1st grow out of the way you will be amazed at what you learn in the process which will set you up nicely for your 2nd grow. As for nutrients I am using Biobizz Grow & Biobizz Bloom bought from here:

Greenfields Hydroponics UK - Biobizz Organic

(cost about £25 for Biobizz grow & Biobizz grow inc p&p) - 1L each

I used GHE nutes on my 1st grow but wanted to try organic nutrients this time & have been impressed with the stuff (Made in Holland) so they know what they're doing of course & this stuff smells like chocolate/coffee it's nothing like the chemical smelling nutes I used the 1st time..

Yeah the watering issue is very conflicting, on my 1st grow I watered about 8 times a day for 15 mins a time, which was too much - I think I over done it a little! so now on my 2nd grow I have them watered only 6 times a day for 5 mins a time (on a timer bought from Tescos for £2.98!) & they seem to be fighting a bit more for their food, as opposed to it being on a plate for them!

Hope the advice is helpful & that you get your grow going nicely, the end product will certainly be enough to dull any pain you are getting! - I still have LOADS of WW left which has saved me at least £200 already in buying of the 'street' & mine is all bud, no bloody leaves, seeds or crappy dust! It's like dispensing your own medicine - great feeling.

Good luck with the rest of the grow & keep me updated!

Hello again Ed
Well here the latest. I just ordered the Bio Biz Bloom and Grow, £33 in total for delivery, pricey, but there you go. Heres the update so far. As said planted 10 and have lost 2 so far as they just did not take poor wee babes. I had them in peat pots and was watering like you said about 5 to 6 times a day, but I think the soil and perlite mix was not keeping the water in long enough… came down one morning before I got fans and gadgets and there were all looking a little droopy, so like a worried maniac I rushed to B&Q earlier than wifey wanted to…pfffft…and got the gadgets I needed. (BTW the clip fans were sold out..Typical..so I had to settle for the ones with the stands, beggars cant be choosers and they were an extra quid. so much for “you can do it when you B&Q it)

I had to pick the 1 litre pots to fit them all in the BudBox and quickly transplanted them, so almost about three weeks have passed now and the 8 remaining babies seem to be “getting going” I have the lights and fans on from about 5.30am till about 12 midnight or a bit later. I have to turn it off then as wife complains about noise from fans and the light sucking the electric, typical tight fisted woman or what LOL. But she needs her kip for her job. I am still worried about drainages so am going to have to put something below the pots soon. Any advice on that would be much appreciated. I have a moister and ph tester and a digital hydro/thermometer. I am using rain water collected from the garden which seems to have a ph factor of about 7.2 which I know is a little high so will probably have to work on that too. I am watering about once every 2 to 3 days. I water the babies well till I see the water coming out of the bottom of the pot, reason why I need something in below them to allow proper drainage…. me thinks.

The Budbox is great but the fan I got doesn’t fit alt all into the opening so I just placed it on top of the opening. Hopefully this will suffice. Heres some photos as promised, as usual any advice would be highly appreciated, anything at all, don’t be scared to criticize anything you see wrong here, I’m ex army, I can hack it. It’s noted as constructive criticism lol. Ok that’s all for now. Look forward to hearing from you again ED Many thanks again for the super advice. BTW pains are killing me, docs tablets suck, but hopefully will have some green by weekend…. hopefully…I also hope that all the MS, AIDS, post chemotherapy etc etc sufferers out there get the hold of PM Gordon Brown and dance all over his face, what a prick. Shame on him for his decisions on the Cannabis law,, a true asshole indeed. Best regards to you and all at Rollitup..what a site indeed.

Toke the smoke
HMHTW

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Hi MMHTW!

Great that you have got it all up & running - I assumed you were doing a hydro grow! but you are doing a soil grow so my advice may not be too relevant! from what I see though you got it going on nicely, for drainage just by (again from B&Q or Wilkinsons) seed trays (the big ones) sit your pot sin them they have little drainage canals in them so the pots wont be standing in the water when the water runs out the bottom of the pots, they're only about £2 each... The ph for soil has to be around 6.5 - 7 The ph for hydro is lower as nutes are absorbed better at this lower ph for hydro. You should get on well with the biobiz nutes altho u paid about £5 more than I did for them?
The smell of the biobizz grow smells like coffee/chocolate hoping it will taste great once dried & cured as my chemical nutes made the finished product taste slightly chemically...I didn't realist that the nutes I had bought were specically for soil! so you should get on better with them than me! I'm seriously thinking of a soil grow next time, as the maintenance on hydro does get tiresome after a while, it's like running a 24hr science lab! - You seem to have all set up nicely, prep is the key & you have done well. The noise from the fan does my better halfs head in as well! but we have both got used to it
I have my fan running 24/7 but not entirely necessary... thanks for uploading the pics nice to see your set-up the fan you have will be fine where it is as long as it can suck some fresh air it'll be fine...

My 400w hps (12 hrs a day) + fan (24 hours a day) & air pump (6 times a day for 15 mins each) + sky+ box, tv, computer, fridge, cooker, lights etc costs me about £1.50 ish a day (changed all to fluros to compenaste for the power consumption) So it's not as bad as you may think esp if you are just using fluro lighting.

I'm also own a keymeter so I can monitor my usage "Pay-As-U-Grow" as I call it...

Keep me posted wud love to see how it progresses & I may well do a soil grow for my 3rd grow due to commence around ebd of August time...

As for Gordon Brown & his new cabinet, about 8 of them came out yesterday & said they smoked dope when they were at uni! so maybe this will have some positive effect of legalisation - but lets not hold our breath eh!?

Keep us posted - doing great!

These look pretty cool to try and emulate

I do know he's got a bud box btw, i just thought i'd say something useful too late.

wow they look neat - for the grower with plenty of cash to burn!
If ur any good at carpentry can't be hard to knock up or maybe buy, reverse engineer & sell!...Hmmmmm

Hello again Ed
Many thanks for the replay back, very much appreciated as always. Well barley 11 days have gone by and here is the progress so far as promised. I have taken another 10 snapshots or so. so bare with me pal..

I got the 2 litres of Bloom and Grow as you suggested, took a while to get here (6 days!!) and today was my first watering with the nutrients. I’m watering about once every 3 days or so, whenever the top 1 or 2 inches of soil is dry. is this ok do you think?

Today I only added 2ml each of grow/bloom per litre as don’t want to overdo it. Am still using rain water strained through a towel just to remove the nasty bits and to be sure me thinks I got to get a decent ph meter as the one I got from BQ suks, it doesn’t seem to be giving any accurate readings, and seems to stay put at the 7.5 reading. I tested this by adding vinegar to water in a pint glass and the damn thing never moved, and I gave it an hour!!!! Newbie’s/growers might wanna take that one on board and save a few quid, buy a proper PH meter me is thinking. The instructions on the bottles recommend 2 to 5ml,, the recommended temp is 70 to 80 I seem to flote between 67 to 79 on warmer days. I’ve put the fan on a lower setting just in case there getting little too “chilled…what’s your comments on all that and the nutrients m8?

If you look at the photos on average the babies seem to be ok but one is really struggling so not sure about that wee darlin..come on baby, grow for Daddy Another 2 seem to have browning on the leaves and look a bit “roughed up” I googled this and haunted the boards and its either a nutrient deficiency, over/under watering, or burning from water/soil on the leaves from the fluro,, I am buggered if I’m sure. However with the fan on low I have raised the fluro to about 18 inches above the plants as I’m guessing I’ve had it maybe to low for a while. Now on a 18-6 cycle with the timer. The wife seems to be pretty much used to the fans now, which is cool.

I also got a little bit of home grown green last weekend and have been eeking it out in tiny amounts when my pains get hellish. Regarding PM Brown..yea m8…DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH ..lol Politicians are only interested ion votes,, and admitting their easy on pot would probably be there downfall. just my opinion of course.

Again any advice ANY would be most appreciated ED you are the man and its good to get good advice. Anyways that’s about it. Heres the snapshots as promised.

BTW “Nongreenthumb” Thank a bunch pal for the images on those professional grow room furniture. My wife says when I get my first grow under belt she would like the matching Pine grow box as this would look LOVELY in the bedroom.. pfft like am loaded FFS…cheers. only joking pal..I will defo invest in one of them soon as I can afford it Thanks for the snapshots…mmmmmm

OK thats it for now will keep you all posted on progress
[FONT=&quot]Best regards ED and all at Rollitup..Coolest site on the net[/FONT]

more to come ED

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last 2 ED. Again many thanks in advanced
Peace ALL

HMHTW

what banner DJmick..I dont follow m8

Hi HMHTW,
Yes I think you're watering routine is fine, you are doing the right thing by letting the top inch or so dry out
& then re-watering, I like the fact you are using rain water as well (organic as poss is always good) I will try
this on my next grow or until I get a water butt! (to any americans reading this, that doesn't mean I have wet ass!)
The PH meters from B&Q are awful - I had EXACTLY the same problem & even tried the same trick as you by adding vinegar
& of course the dial didn't budge!... so I invested in one of these:
New pH Meter- Aquarium Swimming Pool Water Tester PH 9 on eBay Fish, Pet Supplies, Home Garden (item 150144981980 end time 31-Jul-07 16:02:32 BST)
which has been a god-send as I was using the ph 'testing kits' which are clumsy, not very accurate & time consuming
so I serioulsy recommend one of these, has saved many a headache.
With regards to the temp issue - I read in my Jorge Cervantes Grow Bible that the best range for humidity is about
40% as this will discourage pests especially spider mites which like anything over this range. I have my clip fan
on 24/7 & my humidity is always around 35-40, but the back of my grow box backs onto my windows which are always
open so they get lots of fresh air all day & well circulated by the fan(s) the actual temp when my HPS light is on
is about 22 C or about 70 F.
Out of all your plants I'd say 4 of them look like they will be strong, a few that have the thinner leaves may struggle
to produce a good yield, but don't give up on them yet keep persevering with them. The brown patches look like
they could be a bit of nute burn (I had same prob with my 1st grow at this stage & mine recovered fine) It could also
be over/under watering (esp the ones that have the yellowing & droopy leaves) But these discolourations could be
any of these things, so I am always a bit confused as to what exactly is the cause, but I guess more grows = more
experience & knowledge.
Also with regards to the 'stealth grow cabinets' a very good pal of mine & carpenter/chippy are making some stealth
cabinets to sell, so far we have plans & templates for a 'speaker system grow', 'wardrobe grow' & corner unit for 'TV/DVD'We've
just made up templates so were working on a few prototypes before we sell them so we can tweak any flaws. I'll
keep you posted on that.
All looking good though HMHTW, I would just carry on as you are, don't forget the CFL's can be as close as about 1 inch from the
tops of the plants, but too far will make them 'stretch' & become lanky & topple. Maybe move them about 6 inches
from top just to be safe?.. You said you are using a 400w CFL? or was it a 250W?...
My 2nd grow is now 3 weeks from harvest & the bud smells so much better than the 1st grow I did, mainly because
I'm using the Biobizz now instead of chemical nutes & I'm also adding good old Golden Syrup to the solution (have
almost used up a whole tin!) The trichomes are all over the plants this time including fan leaves & stem, I'd rather
have less yield, but a real good quality smoke as I wouldn't smoke as much if the quality/thc levels were higher.
Keep me posted HMHTW doing good mate.

My bad, It had the stealth hydro sysytem banner under it for a minute. It's cheap and does not suck

Hello Ed
Just a quick update, WHAT A LEARNING CURVE ITS BEEN M8
I’m at about week 5 or 6 or so, haven’t been keeping that tight a schedule as dead busy with the family at the mo

Still under 18/6 watering every 3 days, am considering letting them veg for another 2 weeks before flowering. I got new 250wt enviro 2700 RED Spec. Especially for 12/12 flowering, I heard many good reports and am in line with babygrows thinking regarding power, stealth, and personal grow. I know some of use boys swear by the HP an ballast, but I’m siding with user Babygrows logic, it does appeal to me and I think the guy defo knows his shit..and time will tell m8..so fingers crossed about new enviro eh..What do think m8y??

I am considering watering every 2 to 1 days, I know I should transplant regarding roots spread to edges, soil use an all that, but as the whole damn 8 babies seem to be thriving I just don’t plain have room for those bastard 2 gallon pots… even the little runt one I thought would croke it seems to be pulling through… argghhhhhh what a dilemma …and comments m8 would be very much much muchness obliged, I seem to be learning something new which conflicts with stuff I think I know from reading up. LOL

Water PH is a nightmare, the plain old rainwater, which I use, has a ph of 7.6 but when I add the nutes (am using 10ml per gallon of bio grow and bloom each about 1 quarter strength) the ph shoots down to about 5.6 or 5.8 at best..arraaaghhh now I got get some PH UP….

In all ED the babies seem to be a bit of a misfit of characters with strong, weak, spidery, little runts..Etc,, quite interesting but plays hell with me lighting as I need the enviro at least an inch, but will team on regardless.

Ed..Would love to hear what you recommend for the flowering thing. I know that I should flower at 12” height but there are some people recommending to give em an extra veg time for allowing max growth, which conflicts with my repotting plans.. I dunno. I was think that maybe I could water a little every day till about a few days before veging cycle,, or am I jumping the gun a little dunno….m8 I swear my heads full of so much shit..what a site indeed,, hats off to you rollitup..peace all

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By the way the pix were taken just after good feed. ok m8..any comments much appreciated as always.

HMHTW

Hey ED
Just read that post of yours about the syrup, I have loads of that and was reading couple of nights ago about the boys in the states using molasses,, so u CAN use syrup,, becuase funny thing i was defo thinking about asking this question,, how much do I use and how the hell do u use the syrup..again let me know m8 so maybe I can add it in from feeding from now on..ok cheers for now. happy toking ED

btw
i did invest in that digital ph meter,,,damn accurate m8 respect, an pleny of feckin natrual RAINwater at the mo..lol best regards
HMHTW