Question about strains and breeders?

Blueryder133792

Active Member
So I'm looking to order some seeds again and Ive been looking at effects of certain strains and what there good for. Well I'm looking for a strain that's an upper and helps with focusing and productvity. My search led me to sour diesel and green crack.

Well my question is , isn't this just a generic name for a strain? I shop at attitude seed bank But when I go there and look up green crack or sour desiel there are different breeders that all say the strain name but some are indica/sativa mix and some are mostly sative. So I'm confused on how to pick breeders for a certain strain. They all seem like completely different genetics so I can't really find a true " sour desiel" or "green crack" strain.

Hope this makes sense .
 

trippnface

Well-Known Member
sour diesel is a clone only plant; which means it is hard to replicate because of its poly hybrid genetics; so real sour d only comes from clones taken from that mother plant. now some people have taken that clone and bred with it; and some people have tried to stabilize it by line breeding. A good breeder should be able to get preet close to sour d after a few generations with some keen selection. for example; i bought some " long valley royal kush " seeds that the maker made in mind with replicating sour D. now most of the plants ran definitely smelled & tasted sour d to me; and other people definitely comment on the disel smell. pretty good job on his part! here is his story on what he did; quite interesting stuff :)


"There are many styles of breeding that you can practice, it is not as simple as it may seem. Like I said before I am interested to reconsider breeding strategies and their affect on the cannabis seed market. Many companies out there would have you believe that stability is king, that uniformity is a necessity. Many breeders strive to create “in bread lines” (IBL’s). I agree that if you buy a package of ten seeds and you are expecting a certain strain you want the seeds to express the traits that are expected from that strain. Let’s take Northern Lights 5 as an example, NL5 is a stable, true breeding line and shows little or no variance in it’s offspring, it has been used as a progenitor (parent) to a lot of other strains, there are some that say Headband is a Northern Lights/Diesel cross. Many of the strains in today’s marketplace are poly-hybridized and only exist in clone form.

The Sour or New York Diesel is a perfect example, many breeders (myself included) have so loved the Diesel that they have tried to re-create it in seed form. The literature out there would have you believe that you can take any clone and “cube” it, that is take a clone and cross it with a male of similar taxonomy and then back-cross to the mother a couple times and voila, you have a population of seeds that are just like the mother. I am afraid it is not that simple, an IBL like northern lights which has true breeding dominant traits will probably cube easily, and in 3 or 4 generations most of the progeny will show all of the traits of the parent strain, however a highly recessive poly-hybrid strain like the Sour Diesel (13 different distinct traits) has a 1 in 64,000 chance of getting the allele alignment or “linkage” to occur for all of the traits to be expressed.

If you have ever grown the true Sour/New York Diesel, and those who have know, it only comes from clone. So the question remains, how do you get your favorite clone strain to grow from seed? Especially a strain with highly recessive characteristics like Diesel. The answer; develop strategies that are conducive to achieving the linkage necessary for the expression of the desired traits in subsequent generations."

http://blog.humboldtseeds.net/en/the-spice-of-life/

** this all said; i definitely prefer green crack over sour d; i forgot i really don't enjoy the sour diesel smell lol..
 

dubekoms

Well-Known Member
Try to find the seed company who actually created the strain, not any knockoffs.I have no experience in sour d or GC so I wouldn't now. Also to find exactly what you're looking for in that strain you might have to grow dozens or even hundreds of seeds to find the correct phenotype that most closely resembles the original strain. They could also be clone only, in that case I wouldnt trust any breeder who's marketing it as the original strain.
 
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