Questions about Obamacare

Microdizzey

Microdizzey

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I haven't read the bill or read much discussion about it, so I have a few questions.

Will taxpayers be funding this?

Is this healthcare for American citizens only?
If not, will illegal immigrants get free healthcare?

How much will this cost per year?

If they legalize and distribute medical marijuana, will THAT be free?! If you are receiving free healthcare?

Will people with the "government option" be forced to take any medication and/or vaccination if the government decides it a necessity?
 
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NoDrama

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The government provides NOTHING for free, everything the government gives someone it had to take away from someone else first. Tax payers pay for everything, even if it isn't a direct tax, Inflation pays for the rest. Not only is it for Americans, its also for illegal Immigrants. The cost will be in the Trillions.

As sure as the sun shines you can bet the gubbermint is going to load you up with vaccines and good eating habits, make you stop smoking and start exercising. They will do it at gunpoint.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Will taxpayers be funding this?
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Obama had a great discussion on this the other day. Basically there is about $300 billion over the next 10 years that has to be came up with (after the regulations and pharm discounts that are in it cut out the other $700B in Bloat). He would like to see that it fall onto the charitable contributions end. The wealthy have a much higher tax break if they pump the money in (to avoid paying taxes on it, than the rest of the population who have a much lower break.

So even though they will pay more taxes on those contributions it is still worth contributing, even if not as much as before. So they will have two choices, pay the taxes that they should be without the contributions, or make the contributions and get less breaks back. Which ever way it would be enough to offset the $100billion. And pay for the plan.

Is this healthcare for American citizens only?
If not, will illegal immigrants get free healthcare?
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Only American citizens, it is actually written in the bill that it would not be for illegal immigrants.

How much will this cost per year?
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The estimates are around $100 Billion a year. Or $1 Trillion for 10 years. There has not yet been an full on actuarial study done yet since it is not finalized yet.

If they legalize and distribute medical marijuana, will THAT be free?! If you are receiving free healthcare?
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Very doubtful. Most Pharmacies will refuse to carry it so you will have to go to private dealers or the shops that are out there now. If nothing else it would be a huge deductible I bet.

Will people with the "government option" be forced to take any medication and/or vaccination if the government decides it a necessity?
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No everything is decided on by you and the doctor. You don't even have to ever use it if you don't want to.
 
Microdizzey

Microdizzey

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Thanks for the straight up answers. :blsmoke:

I have a feeling it's going to cost far more than what they estimate right now. We'll see how it goes. Besides that, it sounds like a good plan. If I'm making the decisions, I don't see a problem with this.
 
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Keenly

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Microdizzey said:
Thanks for the straight up answers. :blsmoke:

I have a feeling it's going to cost far more than what they estimate right now. We'll see how it goes. Besides that, it sounds like a good plan. If I'm making the decisions, I don't see a problem with this.
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taxes are a problem

mr "i promise not to raise a single tax on the middle class"


hannimal never once mentioned the rationing of healthcare

which is what the government is going to do in order to cut costs

look forward to the day when you go into the doctor with an issue and he tells you to walk it off
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Keenly said:
taxes are a problem

mr "i promise not to raise a single tax on the middle class"


hannimal never once mentioned the rationing of healthcare

which is what the government is going to do in order to cut costs

look forward to the day when you go into the doctor with an issue and he tells you to walk it off
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Please explain how healthcare will be rationed or is this something you "heard"??
 
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Keenly

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londonfog said:
Please explain how healthcare will be rationed or is this something you "heard"??
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no, its not something i heard

its admitted in the bill itself, on page 29 of the bill



it will be rationed, its how the government plans to cut costs and save money
 
londonfog

londonfog

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See you just showed me that you have not read the darn bill. Stop passing lies..... Page 29 deals with the subject of cost-sharing and has nothing to do with how much health care you will recieve..... Take the time to do a full research..hell take the time to read the bill.....stop getting your information from cliff notes being passed around the internet...READ THE DARN BILL
 
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Keenly

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londonfog said:
See you just showed me that you have not read the darn bill. Stop passing lies..... Page 29 deals with the subject of cost-sharing and has nothing to do with how much health care you will recieve..... Take the time to do a full research..hell take the time to read the bill.....stop getting your information from cliff notes being passed around the internet...READ THE DARN BILL
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i have read the bill, twice


if your not going to sit here and debate me then why post at all?

all your posting is "you didnt read it you didnt read it" when in fact i did

childish,.... why not just counter what i have to say

page 29 states your limit the gov will help you with is 5,000$ for individuals and 10,000$ families


setting a limit


Ration : 1.the controlled distribution of resources and scarce goods or services
2.a fixed portion that is allotted
 
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Illegal Smile

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Of course they won't call it rationing. They call it managed care or some other nice sounding term. But it means rationing. Anytime you start giving something away you better either have a lot of it in reserve, or you will have to ration.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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1. Which bill did you read?

2. You seem to be mistaken. $5,000 and $10,000 are the normal levels that insurance is the annual deductibles. This is in almost any insurance plan that you get. And that is why they have three plans. If you don't want the most basic (and cheapest) plan you can get the middle or the top tier plan which would have higher deductibles.

3. The rationing is not in it the way people like to make it out to be. If you need treatment you will get it. But if there are alternative drugs like a generic for a name brand that saves a few hundred, but right now it really is not pushed by the doctors to keep the costs down it is a good idea to have them try to keep the costs down by prescribing the right drugs. There is so much waste in the medical world right now that it will be very benefitial to cut some of the excess and fat out.

I have a feeling it's going to cost far more than what they estimate right now. We'll see how it goes. Besides that, it sounds like a good plan. If I'm making the decisions, I don't see a problem with this.
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I would bet that the costs are going to be much higher at first too. But once some of the streamlining comes around, and people get trained up on where to save costs down the road it should help keep the costs in check. Change always sucks.

But I agree having one insurance program that is affordable, is not the end of the world. And some regulation is needed so that insurance companies cannot just drop people when they get sick and expensive like they can now.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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wow so you really don't understand.....out of pocket means your cost..It limits your out of pocket cost..It won't limit how much health care you will recieve.... See that is how stuff gets started people not knowing....So if some one right now had to pay out of pocket cost of 8000 per year for some dreadful thing.. guess what it will now be a limit of 5000 ( for one person), but you will still get your treatments...
 
Microdizzey

Microdizzey

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Illegal Smile

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Unfortunately the effects of legislation are not spelled out in the bills. I'm still looking for how this would cut costs, increase competition and increase choice as the proponents claim. By the way, those are all conservative principle that are the hallmarks of what the free market does. Government programs never accomplish those things - never. In order to sell it they are trying to pretend it is the exact opposite of what it is.
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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Illegal Smile said:
Unfortunately the effects of legislation are not spelled out in the bills. I'm still looking for how this would cut costs, increase competition and increase choice as the proponents claim. By the way, those are all conservative principle that are the hallmarks of what the free market does. Government programs never accomplish those things - never. In order to sell it they are trying to pretend it is the exact opposite of what it is.
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There is that word again, they, like your quote in my sig...
 
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